you be the judge

[MrAce]

#1- N is out of his mind by not bidding 4♠ and i would not even bother to argue with anyone who suggests that S could have taken any other action except than 3♠, because they will keep on replying "but what if this and what if that and...bla bla" It is IMPS ffs, and you are bidding game , not a freaking grandslam, with 10 cards fit and a beatiful hand with no wasted values and you don't want your opponents to know that you are about to bid a borderline game and give them more road maps than they need.

 

N will invite and the guy who opened with 11 hcp will re invite....what else ? Wanna ask custom made low level keycards and kings too before bidding a game at imps ? Jesus !

 

If there is a thread to be split this is it, and hand #1 goes to B/N and hand #2 goes to I/A

[MrAce]

I just checked the hand #2. I was wrong in my previous reply, it should be in B/N section as well.

 

This is what happens when Phil Clayton takes break from forums http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

[RSClyde]

#1- N is out of his mind by not bidding 4♠ and i would not even bother to argue with anyone who suggests that S could have taken any other action except than 3♠, because they will keep on replying "but what if this and what if that and...bla bla" It is IMPS ffs, and you are bidding game , not a freaking grandslam, with 10 cards fit and a beatiful hand with no wasted values and you don't want your opponents to know that you are about to bid a borderline game and give them more road maps than they need.

 

N will invite and the guy who opened with 11 hcp will re invite....what else ? Wanna ask custom made low level keycards and kings too before bidding a game at imps ? Jesus !

 

If there is a thread to be split this is it, and hand #1 goes to B/N and hand #2 goes to I/A

The scoring system was not actually indicated in the question. Even if it was imps, this is just a white game, the risk/reward is similar to matchpoints.

The Q of spades is frequently a wasted value in a ten card fit. North is the one with shape so of course the rest of his cards aren't wasted. The reason that this works is because south has nothing wasted, rather than having one of the many hands where they take the first 4 tricks.

 

If someone described north as holding a "9 count" they'd know nothing about the game. But the guy with AK, A and a ruffing value? Well he just has "an 11 count".