awm Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 [hv=pc=n&n=s973ht743dak42ck5&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=ppp1d1sd3s4hp]133|200[/hv] Matchpoints, standard methods. What should I do now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I would bid. You can hardly have a better hand, so partner won't play you for a better hand. I know that partner may have been stretching to bid 4♥, and I know that the 5 level isn't safe, but I think the chances for slam are just too good. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I pass - we need too many specific cards (♥AKQ ♦Q ♣A) from partner to make slam good. And partner will stretch to bid here with 1453. And my partners, foolish as they are, usually think of ♥KQ98 as good trump support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Agree with Arend, we lack 6 keycards, playing partner for 5 is too much, and that is assuming partner is short in spades which is far from certain at this vulnerability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I think this is a clear pass. I don't want to hang partner for stretching to 4♥ and need too many cards from him to make slam good. If he lacks a couple of them and also noting my weak trumps, the 5 level isn't safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 I would definitely pass but it's not hard to see how that might be wrong. If I had a bid available to show my hand I would do that, but I refuse to bid blackwood, and 5♦ or 5♥ sound more like this hand with the ♣K in trumps, meaning partner will accept on hands where we lose a spade and a trump. On top of this, the opponents are w/r, it would not shock me to learn that partner is 18-19 balanced with 4 hearts, opposite which the 5 level will very often be too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 [hv=pc=n&n=s973ht743dak42ck5&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=pp2sdp3h(stronger%20than%20thru%202nt)p3sp4cp4hp]133|200[/hv] What about on this auction with the same hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Pass for me. There are a lot of cards missing and it is expecting too much for partner to have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 [hv=pc=n&n=s973ht743dak42ck5&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=pp2sdp3h(stronger%20than%20thru%202nt)p3sp4cp4hp]133|200[/hv] What about on this auction with the same hand? I would be bidding 3♠ not 3♥ (exactly 4 hearts, no spade stop by our methods) and if partner wants to invite me over that I'll cooperate. I'm worried that partner is looking for a hand with more hearts on this auction, 3♠ tells him a lot about my hand, 4 hearts, 9-11 working points opposite a spade shortage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Bodell's scenario is very much different from the original. Here, our range is known by our pass and our non-leb 3H; partner is screaming slam without diamond controls and our given 9-11 points consist of AK K. We must slam it. Would bid 5D, thinking grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Bodell's scenario is very much different from the original. Here, our range is known by our pass and our non-leb 3H; partner is screaming slam without diamond controls and our given 9-11 points consist of AK K. We must slam it. Would bid 5D, thinking grand.This auction is hard because this auction is consistent with having 3 hearts and no spade stopper. I also think 3♥ is a massive underbid. Anyway plug for a nice convention here: 3♠ = stopper ask or clubs, 4♣ = strong heart raise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 [hv=pc=n&n=s973ht743dak42ck5&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=pp2sdp3h(stronger%20than%20thru%202nt)p3sp4cp4hp]133|200[/hv] What about on this auction with the same hand? I'd pass with OP's example and move on with 5♦ on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 I pass. In tempo. The auction isn't over. Sometimes your NV opponents have this annoying tendency of only having 8 trump here. I will bet Phil King has a neat gadget to show a 'good'4♥ call, or something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 This auction is hard because this auction is consistent with having 3 hearts and no spade stopper. I also think 3♥ is a massive underbid. Anyway plug for a nice convention here: 3♠ = stopper ask or clubs, 4♣ = strong heart raise.The Grue bid :) It is already on the card... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 [hv=pc=n&n=s973ht743dak42ck5&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=pp2sdp3h(stronger%20than%20thru%202nt)p3sp4cp4hp]133|200[/hv] What about on this auction with the same hand?4♣ on that auction is natural... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 This auction is hard because this auction is consistent with having 3 hearts and no spade stopper. 4♣ on that auction is natural...This was why I had dismissed the possibility Roger pointed out. If 3S over 3H was considered by MBodell to conceivably be a continuing search for strain with no spade stop and only 3 hearts, that 4♣ bid on HX could produce an ugly result. Therefore, I assumed 3S was (in their methods) a righteous slam try agreeing hearts. Of course, 3S could be the NT probe as Roger stated, but it couldn't have been so for Mike and his partner, or the bid would have been 4♦, not 4♣. (Sans the gadget mentioned above.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 This was why I had dismissed the possibility Roger pointed out. If 3S over 3H was considered by MBodell to conceivably be a continuing search for strain with no spade stop and only 3 hearts, that 4♣ bid on HX could produce an ugly result. Therefore, I assumed 3S was (in their methods) a righteous slam try agreeing hearts. Of course, 3S could be the NT probe as Roger stated, but it couldn't have been so for Mike and his partner, or the bid would have been 4♦, not 4♣. (Sans the gadget mentioned above.) The auction at the table was as included in the post. The partnership agreement is no explicit agreement, and haven't played with the partner in more than a year (semi-regular before that). I agree bidding 4♣ suggests you think 3♠ is a slam try, but maybe you aren't 100% sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 The auction at the table was as included in the post. The partnership agreement is no explicit agreement, and haven't played with the partner in more than a year (semi-regular before that). I agree bidding 4♣ suggests you think 3♠ is a slam try, but maybe you aren't 100% sure.So, what happened? At 4 You still had to figure it out. You could pass if you decided it was a NT probe, and lament missing the Diamond contract --or pass and be wrong, missing the heart slam. Or, you could bid 5D and be right or wrong in the converse. Which fun did you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 So, what happened? At 4 You still had to figure it out. You could pass if you decided it was a NT probe, and lament missing the Diamond contract --or pass and be wrong, missing the heart slam. Or, you could bid 5D and be right or wrong in the converse. Which fun did you have? This was from the Western Stac Wednesday night game. Looking at the hand record looks like I messed up the auction at our table as it started 2♠ - P - P - X instead of P - P - 2♠ - X, but the rest was the same and it was mostly similar deciding (I hope). Hopefully it will not spoil Adam's thread too much to say: At our table we passed and pushed with most of the field (including Adam's table) for a 6 on a 13 top for +710. Partners hand (my hand at the table) is A AKQ2 J9863 AJ8. The opening bidder is KQT86 J65 Q Q742. The advancer who bid 3♠ in Adams auction but not in mine has J542 98 T75 T963. It is board 12 at http://www.paloaltobridge.com/gameresults/lorisue/C130821E.htm [The B tables are 499er, the A tables are open game]. 6H making would be a cold top. 3 pairs in the open made it to 6D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I do not know, what partner expected from your double, but if you doubled with a little spade length, so you may hold two cover cards for him.I had bid the way he did myself, but I guess that he was closer to invite slam then you had been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 :P Pass. I am only a king better than an average minimum. One king is NOT the two tricks needed for slam. Another of Bob Hamman's maxims is never try for slam if you need the magic hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I am very willing to rebid 5♥ as trump quality ask bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I am very willing to rebid 5♥ as trump qualty ask bid. Just too bad that partner will take it as a question about spade control. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Partner's hand: ♠A♥AKQx♦Jxxxx♣AJx All thirteen tricks were there in our 4♥ contract. It seems that either of us could be an ace lighter for our bidding up to 4♥, and that if partner is an ace lighter (on either side of the table) we don't necessarily have five-level safety, much less a good slam. I thought my hand was closer to bidding on than partner's hand was to bidding beyond 4♥ opposite a simple negative double. There could be some case for making an artificial use of one of Dbl/3NT/4♣/4♦ to show a strong heart raise, but we have no such agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 My vastly superior methods would have opened this 1NT and now partner knows roughly what I have and can assume the role of captain freely B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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