eagles123 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=shaqj842dat2ca762&n=saj963h3dkq65ckj8]133|200[/hv] How to find slam here? East opener, opps silent Thanks, Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I don't want to play any slam here.. I expect I would play 4NT. Something like 1H-1S-3H-4D-4NT-AP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted August 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 surely at least heart slam has pretty good play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 surely at least heart slam has pretty good play?Well you need hearts 3-3 or Kx onside or exactly 109 doubleton either side, not great odds to start with and you need something else. 1♥-1♠-2♣(we almost never pass this and it's sufficient opposite what we do pass it on)-2♦-3♥-3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 This is a horrible slam, the kind Roland Wald likes (it's a running commentator joke). 4♥ oddly is the contract you want to play, but most people will play in 3NT or 4NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 1h=1s2c=2d(4sf/gf)2h=3nt(minimum gf)p or 4h seems normal enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted August 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 ok thanks folks, didn't think it was that bad a slam but obviously I was mistaken!! a side question: our sequence was (opps silent) 1H - 1S - 2C - 3N - 4H would 4NT now be keycard in hearts or sign off in no trumps? Thanks, Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 With a pick up partner or in the N/B forum, 4NT over a suit bid is always Blackwood ;). Thinking about it though, is there a hand for Responder that would bid this way without either heart tolerance or a club fit? 4 spades (since no 2♦ rebid); 0-1 hearts (no heart fit); 0-3 diamonds (would respond 1♦); 0-3 clubs (no club fit). 4133 seems to be 2 cards short. Even if we deviated by, for example, treating a weak 5 card spade suit as 4 it is still not possible. In other words, can you come up with a hand that wants to make a natural 4NT bid here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 With a pick up partner or in the N/B forum, 4NT over a suit bid is always Blackwood ;). Thinking about it though, is there a hand for Responder that would bid this way without either heart tolerance or a club fit? 4 spades (since no 2♦ rebid); 0-1 hearts (no heart fit); 0-3 diamonds (would respond 1♦); 0-3 clubs (no club fit). 4133 seems to be 2 cards short. Even if we deviated by, for example, treating a weak 5 card spade suit as 4 it is still not possible. In other words, can you come up with a hand that wants to make a natural 4NT bid here? Kxxxx, void, AKQ10x, Kxx or similar, but very unlikely. Of course you can't want to bid 4♠ natural on this auction (particularly if you play SJS), neither can you be void, so if you play kickback, 4♠ asks aces and 4N is natural but that's not N/B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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