awm Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Are either of these alertable under ACBL rules? 1♣ - Pass - 1♠ - 2♣(1) 1♣ - Pass - 1♥ - Pass1♠ - 2♣(1) (1) Natural, showing clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 As I read the regulation, no, neither requires an alert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I'm not sure I agree, especially in the first case. If it shows clubs, it's not really a cue in the traditional sense, and I would expect that to fall under the "Unusual/highly unexpected" clause., however the ACBL (as per usual) does a poor job of actually documenting the alert procedure in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 What does "a cue in the traditional sense" mean? The Alert Chart defines it thusly: Cuebid: A bid in a suit which an opponent has either bid naturally or in which he has shown four or more cards.1 1While most cuebids are conventional some are, by partnership agreement, treated as natural. 1♣-P-1♠-2♠ is one example of a cuebid commonly treated as natural.I think we have to go with the Chart's definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 The quote below is verbatim from the ACBLscore Tech files. The last two lines are clear: no alert is required for natural direct overcalls in either of opponents' two naturally-bid suits. As usual, I can find no single set of explicit regulations that confirms the accuracy of all the instances cited. Searching ACBL's online resources for a definitive, unambiguous set of regulations covering all conventional treatments and alertability requirements is like the Quest for El Dorado - long, covering a great deal of territory, and doomed. 4) CUEBIDS Most cuebids are not Alertable. However, any cuebid which conveys a very unusual or unexpected meaning still requires an Alert. EXAMPLE: 1S-2H-P-2S If the 2S bid is a heart raise with values or some constructive hand, no Alert is required. If the 2S bid is a transfer to clubs, an Alert is required. EXAMPLE: 1D-2D If the 2D bid shows the majors (Michaels), clubs and spades (top/bottom) or some other two-suiter (not including diamonds, no Alert is required. CUEBID COMPILATION This collection of direct cuebids and alert requirements was compiled by Rick Beye and Mike Flader in summer 2005. 1H - 2H = takeout, Alert only if for hearts 1S - 2S = takeout, Alert only if for spades 1C - 2C = takeout, Alert only if for clubs 1C* - 2C = takeout, Alert only if for clubs *could be short 1D* - 2D = takeout, Alert only if for diamonds *could be short 1C* - 2C = takeout, Alert only if for clubs *Polish Club, could be short, could be strong 2C* - 3C = takeout, Alert only if for clubs *Precision-style, 5 plus clubs 2D* - 2H = Alert only if for hearts *Majors (such as Flannery) 2D* - 2S = alert only if for spades *Majors The following are not considered cuebids: 1C* - 2C = clubs, any other meaning Alert *Precision, strong/artificial 2D* - 3D = diamonds, any other meaning Alert *Majors 2D* - 2M or 3m = natural, no cuebid available, Alert other meanings *any 3 suits 2C* - 3C = clubs, Alert other meanings *strong, artificial & forcing 1D-P-1H-2H = if natural or 2-suited takeout, no Alert 1D-P-1H-2D = if natural or 2-suited takeout, no Alert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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