Fluffy Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 ♠108xx♥AKx♦KQX♣Kxx 1NT-2♥ (transfer)2♠-3♦ (natural)3♠-4NT (keycard blackwood)5♦-5♠ (1 keycard) Would you even think on bidding on? if there is a missunderstanding on the bidding, it must be on the 5 level since the others are really the only way partner plays them with his 5 regular partners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Pass is obvious. How can you bid on in this sequence if you want to continue playing with this partner? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 How sure am I that I'm playing 3041 ? Realising I've shown zero not one without partner telling me this by an explanation is the only possible reason for bidding on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Why can't you be off two Aces? Even if you are off only an Ace and K♠, the King can be offsides. I pass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Why can't you be off two Aces? Even if you are off only an Ace and K♠, the King can be offsides. I pass!I am not claiming that I would bid over 5♠, but I would certainly think. I do not subscribe to the notion that there is nothing to think about when partner employs RKB. My guess is that 5♠ was not bid in tempo. However, how can partner be off two keycards? How can a Bridge player past the beginner stage bid 4NT missing 3 keycards and KQ in in his side suit?Even if he holds ♠AQJxxxx♥x♦AJTx♣x he should bid 4♦ or make a control bid, not 4NT. He has no safety at the five level. He does not know what to do opposite 2 keycards either. And that is the best I can come up with, other constructions are even more ridiculous. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Maybe the king of diamonds should count as a keycard here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Maybe the king of diamonds should count as a keycard here.The way I play it does. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 For a sing off, I would generally choose a power ballad of some sort. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Sure, maybe partner has bid incorrectly. That doesn't mean that I should too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Partner should be shot for that leap from 3S to 4NT, unless ALL he cares about is how many keys I have and is then able to place the contract. Of course we pass now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I didn't expect a question like this from an international. An obvious "NO WTP" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I have bid on in this situation just once, against Grant Baze. I held Jxxxx KJ10xxxxx void void. The auction: 1♦ 1♥2♠! 3♠4N 5D (03)5♠ ? 5♠ was bid very slowly.' I raised to slam. RHO was visibly and audibly upset, muttering that where he came from I'd be barred...then demanding to know if I had a void...'you'd better have a void'...... I later explained that we definitely had to improve our notes on keycard: we had no way to show no keycards but 2 working voids :D On the given hand, one has to pass. If we missed slam, partner screwed up. He shouldn't be asking for keycards unless he knows where to place the contract. Only bad players use keycard to show slam interest. Good players use it to determine the level of the contract. He's determined it is the 5-level. Now, if he is one of the 89.765% of the bridge population who are so infatuated with keycard that he can't be trusted then, provided he signed off in tempo, I'd bid on. Is my post internally inconsistent? Not really: I generally play almost exclusively with members of the 10.235% who understand keycard bidding. Warning: as Justin recently posted, some 92% of statistics are just made up (and I'm too lazy to look up the figure he used...so just trust me on this one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 For a sing off, I would generally choose a power ballad of some sort. pfft, you're too old man, BATTLE RAP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHE0wmgljco /very bad language warning in this video ldo As far as the hand, it's pretty unbelievable but maybe partner chose to gamble with KQJxxx x AJTxx x or something. All I know is he asked for keycards and I answered so I don't have a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 ♠108xx♥AKx♦KQX♣Kxx 1NT-2♥ (transfer)2♠-3♦ (natural)3♠-4NT (keycard blackwood)5♦-5♠ (1 keycard) side-issueZelandakh and I have posted structures whereby you can show the double-fit in this type of auction. Here is mine:1NT - 2H!2S - 3D ( natural )?? 3S = 3 cd ♠ support, but no ♦ fit 3H! = ( cheapest new suit ) ♦ support* but only 2 cds ♠ 3NT = support neither 4D = support both Now 4H! by Responder could be 6 ace RKC . EDIT: Ideally, the ♦ fit should be at least 4 cd support, but I fudged with K Q x support. surely Responder here has a 5 cd suit headed by the Ace . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 And that is the best I can come up with, other constructions are even more ridiculous. But any construction where we do have slam is also ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 I assume you are building up to the point where you bid on and then you and your partner have a sing off in order to decide who is to blame for the ensuing disaster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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