Fluffy Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sqt3hq83dk63ck876&w=s652h962daqcqt942&n=sk84hat754d98542c&e=saj97hkjdjt7caj53&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1cp1nppp&p=h5hjhqh2h8h6hahkhts7h3h9h7d7d3s2h4c3c6s5s4s9sts6sqc2s8sadjdkdad2ctd4c5ck]399|300[/hv] 4 Jacks and no 5 card suit including 2 honors stiff, my opponent decided to downgrade, lets take a look at the frequencies: 1NT W -2 2003NT E -2 2002NT E -1 1003NT E -1 1003NT E -1 1003 ♣ E = -1102NT E = -1202NT E = -120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Didn't work out for them, oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Why not? 8 tricks are cold. A reasonable downgrade imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 click on the next button and see what happened at our table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Why not? 8 tricks are cold. A reasonable downgrade imo.It wrongsides it badly, better guess well at trick 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Swap a few NS cards so that north's normal lead is a diamond. Now EW do well. I don't think we can conclude much about the choice to downgrade based on the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Come on billw it's a thread for fun.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 click on the next button and see what happened at our table.Did West claim the last three tricks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Come on billw it's a thread for fun....My joke detectors don't get warmed up until later in the morning :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 With 14.35 Kaplan and Rubens(knr) points, this is obviously weak enough to downgrade. However, it is anti-field, as point-counters will choose the normal strong NT. Some experts will almost never downgrade for this very reason; they expect to gain matchpoints in the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 With 14.35 Kaplan and Rubens(knr) points, this is obviously weak enough to downgrade. However, it is anti-field, as point-counters will choose the normal strong NT. Some experts will almost never downgrade for this very reason; they expect to gain matchpoints in the play. 9♠ and 10♦ say don't downgrade, without those I seriously consider it, funny they're irrelevant on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I have yet to see a legit NT range being downgraded which led to a happy ending. Maybe there are and not posted but in my own experiences i did not see much if any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I have yet to see a legit NT range being downgraded which led to a happy ending. Maybe there are and not posted but in my own experiences i did not see much if any. Qxx, Qxx, Qxxx AKQ As besr I remember the biggest x is a six. I forgot to downgrade it and went out the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I have yet to see a legit NT range being downgraded which led to a happy ending. Maybe there are and not posted but in my own experiences i did not see much if any. LOL, upgraders never downgrade, and Walter the Walrus's of the world wouldn't dream of downgrading if the point count matches a NT range, so I don't imagine you would see any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I wouldn't have downgraded... but I sure hope none of my partners would have done anything foolish as West. 1NT-P-P is the obvious auction... it's after North overcalls that it turns interesting. Will EW defend a red suit or find their way to 3C? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Qxx, Qxx, Qxxx AKQ As besr I remember the biggest x is a six. I forgot to downgrade it and went out the door. At 12.45 knr points, Kaplan would say that that hand was borderline enough that it was not worth one of his vulnerable "weak NT openers." minimum 12.5 knr points in Kaplan's estimation in first and second seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 .. . . 1NT-P-P is the obvious auction....While I agree that a balanced 8 hcp does not equal a raise of a 15-17 hcp strong NT. West's hand is better than a normal 8hcp. It has a 5 card suit headed by 2 honors and a nine, plus 1 and 1/2 quick tricks for entries. The field auction was 1NT (p) 2NT ppp. edit: the knr rating for west's hand is 7.20. The field (and I) also failed to downgrade this hand, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I have yet to see a legit NT range being downgraded which led to a happy ending. Maybe there are and not posted but in my own experiences i did not see much if any. I did something I almost never do last time I played and passed a 3334 12 count in 3rd vul rather than open 1N, was worth 5 IMPs, 1N-2 at the other table, partner has 7, opps 10/11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I have yet to see a legit NT range being downgraded which led to a happy ending. Maybe there are and not posted but in my own experiences i did not see much if any.Probably a fair statement, when most players below world-class have such a poor capability of hand evaluation.But if you do not try, you will never get there. Rainer Herrmann 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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