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4 Jacks and no 5 card suit including 2 honors stiff, my opponent decided to downgrade, lets take a look at the frequencies:

 

 

1NT W -2 200

3NT E -2 200

2NT E -1 100

3NT E -1 100

3NT E -1 100

3 E = -110

2NT E = -120

2NT E = -120

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With 14.35 Kaplan and Rubens(knr) points, this is obviously weak enough to downgrade. However, it is anti-field, as point-counters will choose the normal strong NT. Some experts will almost never downgrade for this very reason; they expect to gain matchpoints in the play.
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With 14.35 Kaplan and Rubens(knr) points, this is obviously weak enough to downgrade. However, it is anti-field, as point-counters will choose the normal strong NT. Some experts will almost never downgrade for this very reason; they expect to gain matchpoints in the play.

 

9 and 10 say don't downgrade, without those I seriously consider it, funny they're irrelevant on this board.

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I have yet to see a legit NT range being downgraded which led to a happy ending. Maybe there are and not posted but in my own experiences i did not see much if any.

 

Qxx, Qxx, Qxxx AKQ

 

As besr I remember the biggest x is a six. I forgot to downgrade it and went out the door.

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I have yet to see a legit NT range being downgraded which led to a happy ending. Maybe there are and not posted but in my own experiences i did not see much if any.

 

LOL, upgraders never downgrade, and Walter the Walrus's of the world wouldn't dream of downgrading if the point count matches a NT range, so I don't imagine you would see any.

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I wouldn't have downgraded... but I sure hope none of my partners would have done anything foolish as West. 1NT-P-P is the obvious auction... it's after North overcalls that it turns interesting. Will EW defend a red suit or find their way to 3C?
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Qxx, Qxx, Qxxx AKQ

 

As besr I remember the biggest x is a six. I forgot to downgrade it and went out the door.

 

At 12.45 knr points, Kaplan would say that that hand was borderline enough that it was not worth one of his vulnerable "weak NT openers." minimum 12.5 knr points in Kaplan's estimation in first and second seat.

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.. . . 1NT-P-P is the obvious auction....

While I agree that a balanced 8 hcp does not equal a raise of a 15-17 hcp strong NT. West's hand is better than a normal 8hcp. It has a 5 card suit headed by 2 honors and a nine, plus 1 and 1/2 quick tricks for entries. The field auction was 1NT (p) 2NT ppp.

 

edit: the knr rating for west's hand is 7.20. The field (and I) also failed to downgrade this hand, too.

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I have yet to see a legit NT range being downgraded which led to a happy ending. Maybe there are and not posted but in my own experiences i did not see much if any.

 

I did something I almost never do last time I played and passed a 3334 12 count in 3rd vul rather than open 1N, was worth 5 IMPs, 1N-2 at the other table, partner has 7, opps 10/11.

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I have yet to see a legit NT range being downgraded which led to a happy ending. Maybe there are and not posted but in my own experiences i did not see much if any.

Probably a fair statement, when most players below world-class have such a poor capability of hand evaluation.

But if you do not try, you will never get there.

 

Rainer Herrmann

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