sceptic Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=st7hqj9874dt95c65&w=saqj8642hdkcqjt73&e=sk93haktda643c982&s=s5h6532dqj872cak4]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - 2♥ Pass 2♠ Pass 3♥ Pass 4♥ 4♠ Pass Pass Pass I am curious, about this psyche, 2 spades, I thought psyches only applied to opening hands or this another hole in my bridge knowledge. I would also like opinions as to whether this is a good psyche or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 It is actually a textbook psyche. Change of suit after a preempt, like 2H pass 2S2S pass 3C3C pass 3H or even 3D pass 3NT4D pass 4S are once in a while done with a weak hand, in an attempt to confuse the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 A psyche is any bid which grossly (and deliberately) mis-states your hand. So it can happen at any stage of the auction. For instance, one sort of well-known psyche is a psychic cue-bid designed to discourage that lead against a slam. The example you give is also a very well-known psyching postion. South knows that EW almost certainly have a game, and possibly a slam, in ♠ so he bids their suit knowing that he can run back to ♥ if he is doubled. Note that if 2♠ is allowed to play undoubled, South won't even mind if goes 8 off (-400 instead of -420). The psyche works even better if the bid is NF, because West will have to act immediately on this sort of hand. Personally, I think he should have anyway, and East was rather reticent in his bidding too. Although 5♠ happens to go down on a club ruff on this hand, it doesn't take a major change for slam to be lay-down. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 on another thread we were discussing the meaning of double after (1x) p (1y)... i like using the double to show 'y'... can the same treatment be used here, since both are designed to expose the psych? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 It's a standard psych, yes. I've also made these, with success. My only psych in competition (don't want to lose teammates so I don't psych as often there :) ) was similar, and it gained a full 2 imps (they played 5♣= instead of 4♠+2). There are even other psychs. You can classify them in several cathegories:- mini-psych (most common, bidding strong with nothing, not even the suit)- maxi-psych (underbidding very strong hands and play opps Doubled for a few down)- control psychs (showing a control in a suit you don't control, like bidding NT after 4th suit GF with a small doubleton)- fake-lead-directing psychs (example: making a Lightner Dbl with a singleton and hope opps go to an unplayable 6NT while their contract is laydown)- other psychs, like Doubling yourself so partner won't make a Lighter Dbl :) I'm a regular psycher, and I've used the first 3 sorts now and then.- mini-psychs most of all, like bidding 1NT with 4HCP- maxi-psychs against opps I knew. I once passed a 16HCP hand after partner opened 1NT (11-14). I knew opps usually bid over 1NT, they did, I doubled and they received a -1100 B) - bidding 3NT without a control in the suit, opps didn't lead it and I made an unmakeble 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Here's another recent thread that discussed dealing with the weak 2 partner's psyche: http://forums.bridgebase.com/ind...=5994&hl=psyche Double (if understood as penalty of spades) and 3♠ are both reasonable calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 2S is a baby psyche. West should just bid 4S over 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I once passed a 16HCP hand after partner opened 1NT (11-14). I knew opps usually bid over 1NT, they did, I doubled and they received a -1100 ;) :lol: If you want to collect a complete zero, that's the thing to do ! Do you really think they are favorite to reopen when you have at least 27 HCP ! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I once passed a 16HCP hand after partner opened 1NT (11-14). I knew opps usually bid over 1NT, they did, I doubled and they received a -1100 ;) :lol: If you want to collect a complete zero, that's the thing to do ! Do you really think they are favorite to reopen when you have at least 27 HCP ! :P As I said, I knew my opponents and their style, so YES I really think they were favorite to reopen. If you look at the end of the story, you'll see I know my opponents quite well, since they actually DID reopen... Don't get me wrong, I know it's quite a poor strategy to do this opposite any opponent, it won't help you win if you do it systematic, but that one time is one to remember. Extra bonus: they don't intervene as much over our NT in 4th seat anymore, now they know me as well :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 now they know me as well :P LOL :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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