how many top pairs in world?

[CSGibson]

I don't see how your experience tells us much. No-one has said, that I can see, that the WC player will do well with a player of significantly lesser ability. My point was that a WC player playing with a real expert will often bring out the best n the expert.

 

 

 

What I was implying was that my relative skill compared to a good flight B player is probably equivalent to the gap between a worldclass player and an expert, and that those unbalanced partnerships can really hurt if the more skilled player has trouble adjusting for their partner's blind spots.

[Fluffy]

I looked at pavlicek and it surprised me this:

 

 

Helgemo 22.8968.

Helness 28.2363.

 

 

Hellness declares so much compared to helgemo? 2000 boards is big enough to mean something. Perhaps Whoever uses the bridgemate when they are NS just puts North and forgets?

[PhilKing]

I looked at pavlicek and it surprised me this:

 

 

Helgemo 22.8968.

Helness 28.2363.

 

 

Hellness declares so much compared to helgemo? 2000 boards is big enough to mean something. Perhaps Whoever uses the bridgemate when they are NS just puts North and forgets?

 

After having another look, there is something even stranger - almost all the clients played more hands than their partner.

[PhilKing]

I looked at pavlicek and it surprised me this:

 

 

Helgemo 22.8968.

Helness 28.2363.

 

 

Hellness declares so much compared to helgemo? 2000 boards is big enough to mean something. Perhaps Whoever uses the bridgemate when they are NS just puts North and forgets?

 

After having another look, there is something even stranger - almost all the clients played more hands than their partner. :(

 

Disclaimer - Helness is not a client.

[mike777]

If roughly there are only 100-200 truly world class players out of 2-3 million worldwide bridge players.....

 

I think we can see the issue.

 

The median ACBL player has far less than 100mp and is much older than 60.

 

I assume we can say the same median skill/age level in your NBO world

 

I think it was HOG who noted that World Grand Masters are dead.

[Mbodell]

A different list of top players, based on Spingold/Vanderbilt results over the past 5 years (you get 1 point for every round past R64, so 6 points for a win). From bridge winners

 

1)Brad Moss ....5+3+2+5+1+4+6+3+4+5=total....38

 

2)Bobby Levin....3+3+5+2+4+6+2+5+1+6=total....37

 

2)Steve Weinstein....3+3+5+2+4+6+2+5+1+6=total....37

 

4)Tor Helness....1+2+6+2+6+2+3+6+5+2=total....35

 

5)Fulvio Fantoni....1+2+6+2+6+2+5+4+2+4=total....34

 

5)Claudio Nunes....1+2+6+2+6+2+5+4+2+4=total....34

 

7)Fred Gitelman....0+3+2+5+1+4+6+3+4+5=total....33

 

7)John Diamond....2+1+2+5+1+4+6+3+4+5=total....33

 

7)Eric Greco....2+1+2+5+1+4+6+3+4+5=total....33

 

7)Geoff Hampson....2+1+2+5+1+4+6+3+4+5=total....33

 

7)Brian Platnick....2+1+2+5+1+4+6+3+4+5=total....33

 

7)Franck Moulton....1+2+6+2+6+2+4+6+2+2=total....33

 

13)Ralph Katz....3+3+5+1+5+3+2+2+2+6=total....32

 

14)Geir Helgemo....1+2+6+2+6+2+4+6+2+2=total....30

 

14)Nick Nickell....3+3+5+1+5+3+2+2+2+4=total....30

 

14)Jeff Meckstroth....3+3+5+1+5+3+2+2+2+4=total....30

 

14)Eric Rodwell....3+3+5+1+5++3+2+2+2+4=total....30

 

14)Chip Martel....2+4+3++2+4+6+2+5+1+1=total....30

 

19) Marty Fleisher....2+4+3+2+4+6+2+5+1+0=total....29

 

19) Michael Kamil....2+4+3+2+4+6+2+5+1+0=total....29

 

21) Zia....2+4+3+1+5+3+2+2+2+4=total....28

 

21) Joe Grue....5+3+2+6+0+5+1+2+2+2=total....28

 

23) Pierre Zimmerman....1+2+6+2+6+2+0+6+0+2=total....27

 

23) Michael Seamon....2+2+4+2+4+3+4+2+0+4=total....27

 

23) Jimmy Cayne....2+2+4+2++4+3+4+2+0+4=total....27

 

23) Alfredo Versace....2+2+4+2+4+3+4+2+0+4=total....27

 

23) Lorenzo Lauria....2+2+4+2+4+3+4+2+0+4=total....27

 

28) Thomas Bessis....5+3+1+6+0+2+1+6+0+2=total....26

 

28) Lew Stansby.....3+1+1+2+4+6+2+5+1+1=total....26

 

28) Andrew Gromov.....4+2+3+2+3+2+2+3+4+1=total....26

 

28) Aleksander Dubinin....4+2+3+2+3+2+2+3+4+1=total....26

 

28) Carolyn Lynch....3+2+3+2+3+2+2+3+4+2=total....26

 

28) Mike Passell....3+3+2+3+2+2+3+4+2=total....26

 

34) Giogio Duboin....0+2+4+2+4+3+4+1+2+3=total.....25

 

34) Antonio Sementa....0+2+4+2+4+3+4+1+2+3=total....25

 

34) Tarek Sadek....0+1+2+3+2+2+3+3+3+6=total....25

 

34) Walid Elahmady....0+1+2+3+2+2+3+3+3+6=total....25

 

34) Cezary Balicki....3+2+3+2+3+2+2+3+4+1=total....25

 

34) Adam Zmudzinski....3+2+3+2+3+2+2+3+4+1=total....25

 

40) Alan Sontag....1+1+4+3+1+1+5+1+5+2=total....24

 

40) Louk Verhees....1+5+3+1+2+2+0+2+6+2=total....24

 

42) Curtis Cheek....1+2+2+6+0+5+1+2+2+2=total....23

 

42) Peter Bertheau....5+3+1+4+1+1+1+4+3+0=total....23

 

42) Cornelius Van Prooijen....1+5+3+1+2+2+0+1+6+2=total....23

 

45) David Berkowitz....1+1+4+3+1+1+5+1+5+0=total....22

 

45) Bob Hamman....3+0+0+1++5+3+2+2+2+4=total....22

 

45) Boye Brogeland....4+0+1+1+2+2+3+4+2+3=total....22

 

45) Roy Welland....3+6+2+2+3+1+2+0+1+2=total....22

[Zelandakh]

Helness 4th, Helgemo =14th - definitely "at the bottom of the list" of top players then. So now we know, there are presumably ~15-20 top players in the world on that list. Anyone below 14 on Mbodell's list should be treated as "second rate". Doh, sorry Justin, second place in the BB just isn't good enough apparently. :unsure: :lol:

[Antrax]

That list favors consistency. Anyone can get lucky once ;)

[paua]

That list favors consistency. Anyone can get lucky once ;)

 

or miss a year or two.

These are USA competitions ?

[Fluffy]

yes, USA competitions, there are many top players in Asia who never play there, and some europeans as well.