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对罗马俱乐部比赛:值得考究的一副牌(1)


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这是一副值得考究的一副抢夺局部定约的牌面。出自昨晚对罗马尼亚桥牌俱乐部比赛。

个人以为:

1-谨慎地把握顿挫叫牌节奏

当南家支持性加倍后,南家最好的策略是pass。

 

2-当西家1nt后,北家还是应该努力展示牌型,再叫2,事实上2有效地发现了8张配,完成定约没问题。

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而另一桌:

 

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问题是:选择合作性惩罚性加倍还是叫出5?元芳,你如何看待?

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而另一桌liulang他们采用的是精确体系:

 

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叫与不叫,是个永恒的话题,我们这副牌输了-6imps,所为何来?请大家公断。

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结果:3Nxw-2

 

这不能不说带有孟浪的赌博策略,我不认同。

 

 

而另一桌:

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结果:2W=

 

这副牌我方输掉-9imps,大家如何看待呢?

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结果:4xE-1 -100

 

我们于此发现东西家对体系缺乏研究,对高阶加倍等叫品含义混淆而模糊,需要好好学习了。不能再让本是原告成被告重复上演。

 

另一桌:

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结果:3E-1 -50

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我愿意再叫2,以前这类吃亏的牌面我遇到过,我也胡乱无理作赌博,后悔的我,把手指头放进嘴里咬一下,发誓以后不犯(虽然偶尔也犯),但及时汲取教训,对我们大家都是极好的警醒。
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虽然是单有局,但是,基于s双张,d套质量一般,2Q2J,2353这样的牌,更适合防守而不是做庄。

我会选择pass,如果s是单张或者d是6张半坚强套才会考虑5d,现在的牌叫5d实在是太勉强了点。

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东的叫牌,先pass 2h,之后有自己叫出3h和4d,多少显得前后矛盾了。

就估值来看,cK单张,在同伴2h后也看不到这手牌有任何能够增值的潜力;

在opp3c后,因为同伴2h只保证3张,我认为直接叫3h都是比较危险的了,3cpass是本手;

东的这手牌就是2hpass的牌,任何3阶再叫都偏冒了。

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这个牌,很直观的体现了2边体系的差异。jq体系在这里出套慢的缺点暴露无遗!

开室打自然,可以很从容的叫出2个低花套,个人认为可能开1d会好点;而北叫4s时不知道是否考虑清楚了opp继续争叫5m时该如何处理?

我会选择4dpass,为什么?首先,在pd3s后4s基本上没有可能mk;其次,opp的5m自己有把握宕吗?只要有人s缺门,则没有宕的把握;

如果他们准备叫上5,则4s起不到任何阻击作用,但是,如果他们不打算叫到5,4s则可能把对方逼上去, 输小不输大,4dpass。

闭室jq,在遭到阻击后,自己单有局,在pd示弱后再叫4c的确需要勇气,不叫也属于正常的选择,体系的局限性在这里!

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我还是觉得争抢局部定约问题,N持S KX,我认为可以叫3S。至于E的pass 2H,觉得合理,CK单张整手牌应该减值,局部定约争抢,主动有事当然会吃亏,但总的来说,现代竞技桥牌,在争抢局部定约不应保守,至少给opps要造成必要的压力。
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这样的牌我认为4S加倍,同伴有两种选择,1.在我有局opps无局时,足够防守赢墩估计能在-3或以上可以放罚。2.选择自己主打,因为这个牌往往是X 可能就是-2最多-3的牌,如果你PD没有足够的防守赢墩,你值得放罚吗?答案是否定的,所以我PD选择了5D,当然我改5D为5H就比较理想了,当己方有局时,你要慎重选择,如果你罚放,你可能会损失100-300 imps
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我还是觉得争抢局部定约问题,N持S KX,我认为可以叫3S。至于E的pass 2H,觉得合理,CK单张整手牌应该减值,局部定约争抢,主动有事当然会吃亏,但总的来说,现代竞技桥牌,在争抢局部定约不应保守,至少给opps要造成必要的压力。

 

那是高级赛场上惩罚对手部分订约的意愿不高,所以鼓励抢部分定约,你觉得呢?

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你是说东再叫2D?

 

东的1S争叫属于低限,D套太弱,再叫2D很勉强。如果考虑到S套只有一个失墩,如果同伴D不配合,可叫回2S(同伴双张),叫2D也不算错。

 

我还是偏向pass。如果2D叫错,-2不加倍就是200,万一被处罚,就送对方一个局。

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