lycier Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 [hv=sn=A,B,C,D|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S28TH34JKD2367C69%2CS35679H578TD8KC3Q%2CS4JQH6QD9TJAC247A%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2012%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Cmb%7C1N%7Cmb%7C2D%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CCK%7C]499|350[/hv] 这个加倍是什么性质？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamebridge Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 和同伴开叫1nt 一样处理就简单的多。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 [hv=sn=|st%7C%7Cmd%7C3S78KAH37TJQDJAC56%2CS569JQH26KDKC24JQ%2CS24H59AD2489TC37K%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2013%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cmc%7C9%7C]499|350[/hv] 当南家凶狠地跳叫3nt，作为防守方西家正确的策略是：适时相信opps！这点很重要，那么西家就会换攻C，这牌根本打不成。大家以为然否？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 [hv=sn=|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S27H24KD34C2478JK%2CS8KAH36789D29QC39%2CS34TJHQAD5TJKAC56%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%207%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CSK%7C]499|350[/hv] dvd直接叫出3nt！表现出良好的竞技技战术素养，那么问题来了，这个3nt是蒙的吗？这手牌的估值是如何体现的？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 竞技比赛是，技术-心理-策略具有同等价值的重要性，不是技术好就一定会取胜的。本帖问题更是策略-心理问题，不惟技术性。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunling Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 不管是什么性质，西家都不能X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunling Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 是蒙的。无论是DD的测试结果，还是世界大赛的统计，都说明了，对PD 15-17的1NT开叫，永远不要拿7点叫3NT。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuefeier Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 这个加倍应该是技术性的，因为 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuefeier Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 因为无局，鼓励同伴叫牌，但这种加倍不是太好，可以直接2H或2S，再一点就是既然同伴加倍了，E家就应继续叫牌pass不妥 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuefeier Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 是的，南家3N，S上有止是确定的 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuefeier Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 C长套，有个CKJxxx六张 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 这个牌，在同伴开叫1n后，估值绝不能简单的看成7p，当时判断3n成功的机会应该接近50%，而有局时对于边缘局应该激进一点，所以直接封到了3n。 结果比较理想，实战分布，3n是铁的。 这些需要说一下做庄，cJ吃到后，马上飞dQ是错误的路线！ 这个时候应该先假设c能吃5墩+h2,d只需要2墩就够了，完全没有必要冒险去飞。明手有2张d，之后如果发现c没吃通，你一样还有机会选择飞D。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 这个牌东跟s3,多少还是有点问题，他应该跟出s10，pd就不会出错了。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 2阶，而且是别人主动叫出配合后的x总是技术性的。选择罚放不太好，2d能宕的话，已方总有3n，指望2dx-2以上过于虚幻了。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 [hv=sn=dvd,slamgoing,xhq,diana_eva|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S69H589AD26TC27KA%2CS37JKAH4QD59KC8TQ%2CS245TH367JD47C39J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%206%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7C1D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7CGF%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CHK%7C]499|350[/hv] 实战的时候，问询3c，西回答很简单GF！多少显得有点遮遮掩掩的的感觉，当时的牌感就是攻c2，后来仔细分析叫牌后发现h套可能会更合适，于是选择了h5,结果他们直接吃到10墩。 那么是应该遵从自己的直觉还是应该按科学的分析后来攻牌呢？这里我忽视了另外一个选择：hA！ 攻hA的好处是能先看看牌，自己还有换攻权！ 明显的，hA后你会发现同伴应该最多只有2p，这个时候防守的唯一机会就是c2,面对c2,庄家如何选择？他当然可能猜对，但至少有50%的机会他会猜错。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 猜想3♣是五张puppet stayman，逼局，而♣花色本身无关，北美牌手常用的手法。但是比赛时如果仅仅局限于解释为GF，是不令人满意的。回想第一次比赛时我们输了，虽然全队竞技状态不佳，但叫卡的解释确实让我不满意，我只能憋在心里，因为我是发起人，不能因为一点瑕疵而败坏比赛的。比如：当高花加叫后解释为：stronger raise 较强的高花加叫，这是桥牌术语吗？较强能强到哪里？摊牌一看，普通的建设性加叫而已，而后者：constructive raise是标准的尽人皆知的桥牌术语，而前者天知道stronger是什么含义。希望大家引以为戒。自所不欲勿所有人。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 2阶，而且是别人主动叫出配合后的x总是技术性的。选择罚放不太好，2d能宕的话，已方总有3n，指望2dx-2以上过于虚幻了。 嗯，同意这种说法。更何况要相信opps--他们已经找到了将牌8张配合！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 [hv=sn=lycier,slamgoing,xhq,diana_eva|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S35JQKH2467ADTC38%2CS269TH589D59QC5QK%2CS4H3KD23678KAC24T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2011%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CC9%7C]499|350[/hv] 我坐庄的结果宕一，而另一桌mk。请朋友谈谈看法，有没有更好的推荐线路以帮我提高。谢谢。 而另一桌： [hv=sn=OneBean,chenxuemin,mitsouko,bluejacket|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S35JQKH2467ADTC38%2CS269TH589D59QC5QK%2CS4H3KD23678KAC24T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2011%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7C11-15%2C%205%2B%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cmc%7C10%7C]499|350[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 如果东西的牌换一下，不知道这个叫牌会不会是一样的，但结果肯定不一样了。东西肯定还是一直PASS的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 即便没有攻出c，让明手的dAK垫掉一张d，防守正确（sA要忍住不能上）还是没有的，桥路不畅，始终还是要失控。 我认为更大的问题是出在叫牌上面。2边的叫牌难得的这次完全一致，但这并不能说明叫牌就没有问题。 首先，我们的体系2盖1是100%逼叫到3n的。北这样的牌在同伴开叫1s，而自己s是单张的情况下，是否够2d？ 我认为是不够的，而且我们有bart正好可以处理类似的牌，先叫2c，在同伴2h后（这里我认为直接2h比2c好),你可以叫出3d，然后pass同伴的3h。 而应叫2d后，后面的冒叫成了必然的结果。 另外一边只所以能打成，防守犯了2次错误，首先，没有先吃完c的赢敦，其次，没有忍让sA。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 黑桃Ace的执张是防守好手！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzdhy668 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 如果东西的牌换一下，不知道这个叫牌会不会是一样的，但结果肯定不一样了。东西肯定还是一直PASS的。赞同。这种牌打成就是水平高，估值能力强，打不成就是运气不好。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVAN CY LO Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 此牌有局下西跳叫2S，如果我是OPP 持S: AK87，為什麼不放打2S(X)? 同伴表明雙低有實力，紅心又持QJT。如3NT 打成，2S(X) 最少宕3。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000ffj Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 我觉得正常南家应该1n-3c，这个过程完成了应交任务，如果这种牌不应叫3c的话，我都不知道还有什么情况下应叫3c,那么这个约定叫的设计还有什么意义呢？到开叫人，之后开叫人草花虽然没支持，但是考虑到方块或者草花打通一门就极有希望，也许叫3nt,也许开叫人pass，这之后都和应叫人无关了。再说坐庄，第一墩ha拿后，我觉得草花吃通5墩的机会太小了，要求东家草花aq还要均型，显然不如方块上拿5墩的机会大，实战打法要求东家草花aq齐全，如果那样的话我倒是觉得也许先红心解封，只用跳对cj或者ck作为进张，兑现红心k再飞方块，争取c1h3d5机会似乎更大。我不太会计算概率，不管是实战的路线还是我说的路线，估计成功率绝对都在25%以下吧。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiaxiachun Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 这种进程可能不明显，楼主可说的可能是这样的例子1♣-1♥-1♠-pass1nt-2♥-2♠-pass3nt-// 你的牌是♠Ax ♥KJT9xx ♦QTx ♣xx，请首功 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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