barsikb Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 [hv=pc=n&n=sakt6hadak85ck632]133|100[/hv] I am inclined to say 1♦ because of rebid problem in case of 2♣-2♦ Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisg Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 [hv=pc=n&n=sakt6hadak85ck632]133|100[/hv] I am inclined to say 1♦ because of rebid problem in case of 2♣-2♦ Is this correct? Yes. Some people might consider opening 2NT as well, but I think 1D is best. For one thing, it gives you the best chance of finding a fit in any of your 3 suits. The bidding might very well go something like 1D-1H-2S-2NT-3C, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barsikb Posted July 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Partner had following[hv=pc=n&s=s9543h5dj764ca987]133|100[/hv] What is his response to 1♦if a) East passedb) East came in with 2♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisg Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Partner had following[hv=pc=n&s=s9543h5dj764ca987]133|100[/hv] What is his response to 1♦if a) East passedb) East came in with 2♥? a) 1S. Assuming a standard 5-card major system, this is routine. b) Pass. South doesn't have the values needed for either a negative double or a diamond raise at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 I look for reasons not to open 2C. This one has so many, I don't know where to start. Not even good enough to fake it with a 2NT opening, IMO. It is nice enough to consider being in game if Pard has a response, but that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 a) 1S. Assuming a standard 5-card major system, this is routine. b) Pass. South doesn't have the values needed for either a negative double or a diamond raise at this level.Yep. And have no fear. on b), South will hear North reopen with a Double..then will bid 2 lowly spades. North should raise to 3 and South will accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSClyde Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 I had a 4441 20 count one day that I opened 1♦. Partner thought for a while and passed. Then he laid down his hand claiming to have "masterminded the auction". It turned out that he had 2 kings and we had an 8 card fit... in clubs! The misfit was nasty enough that 1♦ making 2 in a 4-1 fit was a cold top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 IMO your best opening is 2♣ or 2♦ to show 22-23 balanced, however 1♦ might work much better on some scenarios and I have nothing against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I agree with Fluffy. This is a strong 23.85 knr hand, stronger than the average 23 hcp average balanced hand. Unless partner has a ♥ one-suiter, 2NT is too weak, one of suit also will miss many games and slams. (knr -- Kaplan & Rubens points). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 This hand is so suit-oriented, I have no problems opening it 1♦. Yes, it has a great KnR, but ONLY in a suit. In NT, it is garbage unless partner has something. Agua hit it on the head imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I think 1♦ is clear. 4441 hands generally play worse than the hcp would suggest, and we have a significant rebid problem after opening 2♣ It's not that we are assured of having an easy auction after 1♦, but on balance we can probably cope better, with the extra bidding space. If it goes all pass, we aren't likely to have missed anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barsikb Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Thank you for the answers! So 1♦. What if it was a bit stronger? 23, 24, 25? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Thank you for the answers! So 1♦. What if it was a bit stronger? 23, 24, 25?This is ugly, unless you have a toy to use. For this forum, I will just say some people do have one. It might be a prepared (Kokish?) set of continuations after a 2C opening, or it might be one of the possible hand strengths/types for an artificial 2D opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barsikb Posted August 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Yes, need more toys, definitely :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 I prefer to open 1C than 1D. The reason being is I want partner to be able to bid something at the 1 level on any excuse. With a 4-5 count and clubs he may pass 1D. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think I could live with either 1D, 2NT or a gadget we have for this which is 2C followed by 2S to show a strong three-suiter. We would bid 2C-(2H)-X; 2S (three-suited)-2NT (ask shortage); 3H (short hearts)-4S. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cargobeep Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 2♣ seems best. 1♦ could easily be passed out, and 4♠ could easily make. Even 3NT could work if partner's looking for hearts. Double dummy says 4♠ can be made on as little as an A♣ and 4 low spades, even if trumps are 4-1 and we can't finesse. 3NT would be down 2 opposite a Yarborough, but with a few HCP, we got points. A bidder's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I am surprised by Fluffy/Billpatch evaluations. I was weaned on books which consistently recommended downgrading Aceltons (and Kingletons,, Queenletons etc for that matter) for reasons that were lucidly explained and made sense to me at the time and I think born out by my subsequent experience. So to suggest that this hand is actually worth more than its HCP is anathema to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I am surprised by Fluffy/Billpatch evaluations. I was weaned on books which consistently recommended downgrading Aceltons (and Kingletons,, Queenletons etc for that matter) for reasons that were lucidly explained and made sense to me at the time and I think born out by my subsequent experience. So to suggest that this hand is actually worth more than its HCP is anathema to me.It's worth more than its HCP as soon as you find a fit. Worth less in NT. xxxxx, xxx, xx, xxx is a 2-2 break or the ♣K standing up off 4♠ for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 I'm in the crowd opening 1 ♦. If you open 2 ♣ and it is followed by 2 ♦ (waiting ?), what do you bid next? Partner will have problems figuring out that you hold only 4 cards in any suit you bid. If you try to bid all 3 suits, the auction can get pretty high. After 1 ♦ -(Pass) - ?, the responding hand should bid 1 ♠. After 1 ♦ (2 ♥) - ?, as mentioned earlier Pass is correct because you don't have the values for a negative double at that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts