hrothgar Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 Relay Responder♠ A93♥ J♦ AK754♣ T853 Relay Asker♠ KQ2♥ AQT94♦ 82♣ AKJ 3♥ - 4♣4N I think that RR needs to see 9 slam points to try for game in NT with this misfitBest to stop low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 This appears to be a different hand 7 than the other thread. Might want to change the title. Relay Responder♠ A93♥ J♦ AK754♣ T853 Relay Asker♠ KQ2♥ AQT94♦ 82♣ AKJ3♥-4♣ QP, 84♦-4♠ 1-2 diamonds, no club (can't stop in 4N, might as well ask)4N-5♥ exactly 1 spade, 2 diamonds (so given hand, or K♥ and A/KQ♦)5N -P A lot better with the K or J♥ than without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 ... 3♦ (shape)3♥ - 4♣ (8 QP) Jxx K AKxxx Qxxx is pretty cold, so it's worth at least asking. 4♦ - 4♥ (must be two top diamonds) We need club queen here to have much play (there is a sure side loser and we need clubs as a trick source). If we relay with 4♠, partner will bid past 4NT only with club queen. That would be a hand like the above, or Axx x AQxxx Qxxx (which actually offers decent play for 6♣ on a dummy reversal). Probably worth a shot: 4♠ - 4NT (no top club) This must be Axx x AKxxx xxxx (the actual hand) which is a poor slam, so we pass and play 4NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Relay Responder♠ A93♥ J♦ AK754♣ T853 Relay Asker♠ KQ2♥ AQT94♦ 82♣ AKJ 3♥ - 4♣4N I think that RR needs to see 9 slam points to try for game in NT with this misfitBest to stop low Straube 3♠-3N end signal, 6-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sieong Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 3♥ - 4♣ (QP? - 8QP) There seems to be very few hands where slam is good (I think Adam's construction is missing DJ - Jxx K AKxxx Qxxx is only 11 tricks unless HJ falls, which is 36% of the time, with DJ it becomes 68%), or Axx K KQJTx xxxx (pretty much cold as long as D comes in), or Axx J AKJxx xxxx (D finesse or CQ doubleton) - I won't find the latter since I could not differentiate between this and Axx K Axxxx xxxx. Makes me wonder whether I should have used a different method. On the actual hand: 4♦ - 4NT (control parity - odd, odd KQJ in ♦, even in ♠)Pass I will be worse placed than regular PCB if responder has Axx K Axxxx xxxx, since I will have to play 5NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Somehow i didnt bid this hand. Anyway Just 3nt and pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 ...-3♦ (shape)3♠-3NT (puppet ; 6-8 QP's)pass (not enough for slam imo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 3♥ - 4♣4N I think that RR needs to see 9 slam points to try for game in NT with this misfitBest to stop lowImo Relay Asker should bid 3NT instead of asking for QP's because you need RR to zoom for slam. This gives you 2 advantages:- when RR has 8 QP's you can play a safer 3NT instead of 4NT (no difference for 6 or 7 QP's)- when RR has 9 QP's or more, you're 1 step lower for your scan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Straube 3♠-3N end signal, 6-8 What are the rules for responder to zoom on over the terminator? Seems like in this case, responder should bid 4♣ with 8 QPs (base 5 + 3)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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