Cascade Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 No Trumps [hv=pc=n&s=sh9d65c8&w=s8haq7dc&n=skht43dc&e=sh52dqtc]399|300[/hv] South on lead an plays the ♣8 West has no good discard. The position developed in 3NT with stiff ace opposite KQxxx with no possible side entry. So the spade blockage was there the whole time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 This is nothing special and certainly no squeeze. (Dummy would be squeezed if you exchange East and West cards) West has 2 winners and 2 losers. He can discard only one on the ♣8This is a common theme, not even rare in practice. Call it a stepping stone if you like.Declarer has no communication between his hands and uses an opponent to get access to the other hand. For example assume dummy has a long suit with no side entries and opponents have not parted with their ace until declarer is left with a singleton in the suit. If declarer can manage to strip the ace holder of exit cards in the side suits before playing his last card in dummies suit the opponent will have only cards left to return dummies suit. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) yes I think this is a stepping stone but I wouldn't call it a squeeze either - west simply has only two winners. If S plays a heart West doesn't have to discard but that doesn't matter, declarer gets two tricks anyway. Edit: silly me, rhm is right of course Edited July 25, 2013 by helene_t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 If S plays a heart West doesn't have to discard but that doesn't matter, declarer gets two tricks anyway.Not quite. If West refuses to cash his second heart he can endplay dummy with a spade for 3 heart tricks. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 edited, im retarded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 This is nothing special and certainly no squeeze. (Dummy would be squeezed if you exchange East and West cards) West has 2 winners and 2 losers. He can discard only one on the ♣8This is a common theme, not even rare in practice. Call it a stepping stone if you like.Declarer has no communication between his hands and uses an opponent to get access to the other hand. For example assume dummy has a long suit with no side entries and opponents have not parted with their ace until declarer is left with a singleton in the suit. If declarer can manage to strip the ace holder of exit cards in the side suits before playing his last card in dummies suit the opponent will have only cards left to return dummies suit. Rainer HerrmannWhile I agree with most of this, the first point doesn't make it not a squeeze, it just makes it positional, if dummy had 2 AJs and W 2 KQs the same would apply, but that is a positional squeeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 While I agree with most of this, the first point doesn't make it not a squeeze, it just makes it positional, if dummy had 2 AJs and W 2 KQs the same would apply, but that is a positional squeeze.I am not sure what you want to claim. My first point was a simple observation on the given layout. I never said that that on some different layouts West sitting under the dummy might not be squeezed. That one can construct different layouts where West might get squeezed is plain trivialBut with the actual layout there is nothing resembling a squeeze. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I am not sure what you want to claim. My first point was a simple observation on the given layout. I never said that that on some different layouts West sitting under the dummy might not be squeezed. That one can construct different layouts where West might get squeezed is plain trivialBut with the actual layout there is nothing resembling a squeeze. Rainer HerrmannNormally when you post a sentence with something in brackets after it, the brackets clarify why the sentence is true "It's not a squeeze (you just have all winners anyway)" for example, and that was the sense in which I read it, I wasn't expecting you to mean the stuff in brackets to be utterly irrelevant to the sentence with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sh9d65c8&w=s8haq7dc&n=skht43dc&e=sh52dqtc]399|300| Cascade wrote "No Trumps. South on lead an plays the ♣8 West has no good discard. The position developed in 3NT with stiff ace opposite KQxxx with no possible side entry. So the spade blockage was there the whole time." I think Cascade's OP ending (left) is a subtle non-material squeeze. South's ♣ winner strips West of what seems to be an idle card but, as Rainer points out, West is deprived of the chance of a third ♥ trick,[/hv][hv=pc=n&s=sakT95h6da8765ca3&w=s8764hKt8d9ckt864&n=s32haQ5432d432cq2&e=sQJhj97dkqjtcj975]399|300| A similar theme but, this time, no squeezeSouth to make 6♠ on a ♦ lead.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 This is nothing special and certainly no squeeze. (Dummy would be squeezed if you exchange East and West cards)Agree that it's not a pure squeeze since West doesn't have to discard a winner, but the argument of exchanging East and West cards has nothing to do with this being a squeeze (it's just the difference between a positional and an automatic squeeze). So it's 'something' positional and it uses West as a stepping stone to get the final trick. So maybe "positional stepping stone strip"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 this is a form of "simple" squeeze where one defender squeezed in 2 suits must make a pitch that allows declarer to make one moretrick than they would otherwise be able to make. This is the most common type of squeeze. It does not matter if we have to lose 0,1,2,3 tricks it is the mechanics of pitching after the player squeezedthat provides the definition of a simple squeeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I am going to give this exciting new position a name: an endplay. Luckily, I was rereading Adventures in Card Play, which has some more basic examples, so I had a head start. West discards a spade as does dummy, we play a heart and West is "endplayed" into giving a heart trick. Remember, you heard it here first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMan Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 I wouldn't call it a squeeze: In a squeeze, you'd watch what LHO discards, and then pitch from the other suit in dummy. In this position, you pitch from the same suit that LHO pitches. So it's just an endplay, stepping-stoneish, with some care required in the preparation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 edited, im retardedDouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Not a pure squeeze, but if you play the heart first (thinking you are squeezing the dummy on a club), the board gets Miamied. So the club play works to 'trim' West's cards. Besides, Ben is the de facto squeeze lexicographer here :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sah3d2c&w=shkjdck&n=shq2dca&e=skhdakc]399|300| At Brighton, there was another fratricide-avoidance/stepping-stone squeeze ending similar to Cascade's. In fact the contract was notrumps but, for our purposes, please assume that:♠ are trumps. Reduced to essentials:South is on lead and needs two of the last three tricks.IMO, it is reasonable to call this a squeeze, too, because when South cashes ♠A, LHO is subtly squeezed in the round suits[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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