Fluffy Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 1 ♣ - (pass)-1♥!(♠)-(2♥)pass-(pass)-double-(pass)2 ♠ - (pass)-3♦... 1♥ shows 4+ spades. is 3♦ sing off, invitational or forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 With a forcing hand I would bid direct 3♦ so this should be signoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 With a sign-off hand I would have bid a direct 3♦ so this should be forcing. But obviously this situation could depend on agreements. I have played responder's balancing in a new suit as NF (and strong hands need to double/cuebid/jump) in all my expert partnerships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Holding any hand which would remove 2S, our 2NT rather than double would have been used as a preparation for a Diamond sign-off; so 3D here would be forcing. Doesn't matter about the Walsh response...auction would be the virtually the same after a 1S response. Was 2S a punt, or does the pair (like us) not use mandatory support doubles here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 With a sign-off hand I would have bid a direct 3♦ so this should be forcing. But obviously this situation could depend on agreements. I have played responder's balancing in a new suit as NF (and strong hands need to double/cuebid/jump) in all my expert partnerships. me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 it seems counter intuitive that I could have 6 dia and 4s and a weakfishhand and would prefer to show my 4+ cards spade suit and back in laterin a sequence that is only possible if the opps interevene with a 3d sign off. i can buy a 3d invitational bid since i could bid 3h with a game forcing hand asking for a heart stop (my x would imply diamonds). I could have also bid 3dimmediately as a forcing call -- sometimes the x is used to limit our hands as well as show some extra strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Don't understand this sequence. Why didn't wejust pass and defend 2♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Don't understand this sequence. Why didn't wejust pass and defend 2♥?I don't understand what hand you are looking at. I don't see one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Forcing, with a nf hand I had not doubled, but bid the diamonds or I had passed 2 ♠ after I found the (possible 4-3) fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Forcing, with a nf hand I had not doubled, but bid the diamonds or I had passed 2 ♠ after I found the (possible 4-3) fit.I would expect partner's 2♠ to be a doubleton usually, since the vast majority of hands with 3 would support double 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Don't understand this sequence. Why didn't wejust pass and defend 2♥?If I had an invitational 54xx I would double for penalty, but I am not an expert, as experts are never allowed to double for penalty. ;) If double forces a relay of 2♠ by agreement then there must be an agreement about whether a direct 3♦ or a delayed 3♦ is GF or weak. It could be either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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