feeling lucky punk?

[manudude03]

Board 14 of round J20 in the Junior Europeans was rather spectacular. Partner has shown very little in values (0-4 with 0 controls) and at least 3 card support. What do you think here?

 

IMPs scoring btw.

 

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[ggwhiz]

I'm feelin lucky and I am a punk. Is some grand not unanimous in a junior field?

[helene_t]

if p has denied a control, can I ask for queens now and for jacks afterwards?

[Fluffy]

a friend told me about this hand, and I found it familiar!

 

why? well its almost the same example my father envisioned in his geometry card play problem as an example of a common trump play coup...

 

link to my page

 

 

If the told me the right thing, dummy had ♠Jxx ♣xxx, well thanks to the famous coup even with this dummy grand is above 5-% to make

 

[Fluffy]

On this hand I would never doubt it, the math is very simple, if you don't have a trump loser you are above average in 7 spades since every club length is good, even the worse (3 small without the 10) is above average to provide no loser.

 

Yes there could be a trump loser, but partner could just as well have 4 trumps making grand almost cold.

[MrAce]

On this hand I would never doubt it, the math is very simple, if you don't have a trump loser you are above average in 7 spades since every club length is good, even the worse (3 small without the 10) is above average to provide no loser.

 

Yes there could be a trump loser, but partner could just as well have 4 trumps making grand almost cold.

 

Or pd may be 3253 which gives a little more edge. But i am sure in junior EC this shows 4 trumps. With 3 they can bid either 2NT then 4♠ or 2nd negative over3♠ and then 4♠ etc.

[gszes]

there are many ways to make 7s but there are a few more to make

7c so I will bid 7c and give p a choice. I realize this makes the defense

easier when p prefers spades (and has only 3) but overall I prefer to

be in the safest spot at the 7 level.

[akwoo]

Just a thought:

 

What about 5N pick-a-slam? Would 6H from partner show 5 hearts, in which case 7H is probably the best grand?

[Free]

I'm feeling lucky for 7♠.

[wank]

anyone who's not feeling lucky here needs to grow a pair

[Siegmund]

I've seen one 31-HCP hand in my life. It was in a matchpoint game, and 2210 was a bottom and 2220 was a top.

 

I admire the inventiveness of the jump to 7C, but I think "everybody" is just bidding 7S.

[benlessard]

Here bidding 4Nt is a specific Q ask+J later and bidding 5D should ask if partner for club doubleton. When he return to 5S ill make another move and hopefully he will play me for AKQx in clubs.

 

I think its a normal agreement to have that when you denied AK and singleton you play your usual methods but for QJ/doubleton.

 

This is the simpler way I know to handle AKxx,AKx,Axx (and sometimes Axxxx) with no other losers elsewhere.

[manudude03]

Unfortunately I didn't have any fancy agreements regarding what to do, so I just had to punt it. It was a flat board in most of the juniors section, a but more swingy in the youngsters section.

 

http://www.eurobridge.org/Repository/competitions/13Wroclaw/Microsite/Asp/BoardAcross.asp?qboard=014.20..977 (juniors)

http://www.eurobridge.org/Repository/competitions/13Wroclaw/Microsite/Asp/BoardAcross.asp?qboard=014.18..978 (youngsters)

[the hog]

I would bid 7, however I think 4S is an awful bid and should show at least 4 card in the suit. Have no youth players heard of second negatives?

[Zelandakh]

Here bidding 4Nt is a specific Q ask+J later

That is one possible agreement. A more logical one would be for 4NT to be asking for the trump queen; 5♣♦♥ to be SSAs; and 5♠ to be asking for the trump jack. Yet another option would be as above except that 5♣ asks for specific queens and 5NT becomes the SSA in clubs. Perhaps the best option is for 5♣ to be a specific queen ask; 5♠ to be the club SSA; and 5NT to ask for the trump jack though. I think any method that does not include 4NT as an ask for the trump queen is being blinkered by the hand we are looking at.

[Cyberyeti]

Unfortunately I didn't have any fancy agreements regarding what to do, so I just had to punt it. It was a flat board in most of the juniors section, a but more swingy in the youngsters section.

 

http://www.eurobridge.org/Repository/competitions/13Wroclaw/Microsite/Asp/BoardAcross.asp?qboard=014.20..977 (juniors)

http://www.eurobridge.org/Repository/competitions/13Wroclaw/Microsite/Asp/BoardAcross.asp?qboard=014.18..978 (youngsters)

 

Really fine effort to go off in 7♠ in the youngsters.

[the hog]

Just a thought:

 

What about 5N pick-a-slam? Would 6H from partner show 5 hearts, in which case 7H is probably the best grand?

 

Good post and a very sensible answer.

[Lord Molyb]

Really fine effort to go off in 7♠ in the youngsters.

maybe it was a revoke? :P

[helene_t]

I thought of 7♣. Partner might be 3-5 in the black suits. If he is 3-4, a club grand is safe as long as the clubs are 3-2, while a spade grand could go down on a 4-1 split in either suit.

 

But thinking more about it, I just bid 7♠:

- Partner might think I have longer clubs than spades if I bid 7♣.

- With 4-4 in the blacks he might think that clubs play better.

- In the spade grand, if partner has Jxx of spades plus a red queen, I can survive a 4-1 clubs split.

- If partner corrects to 7♠ (which he most likely does), my 7♣ bid has deterred a club lead. I don't want to do that.

- If both grands make, it probably costs two IMPs to play 7♣.

[EricK]

I bid 7♠. It rates to be a good contract, and, even if it isn't the best contract, in this sort of once-every-few-years scenario, the chance of some sort of misunderstanding if I start exploring, probably more than compensates for the times I manage to find a better grand.

[phoenix214]

This was a fun match actually, as i recall. Our team managed to win the Dutch team in the youngsters, quite the hype, not to mention other factors that were happening there. I think i recall this hand as well, Polak just driving to a grand slam. The boards i do recall were 7 and 13.

On board 7, they pushed up to a grand slam, after 2♠-X(or hearts)-5♠, and were missing ace of diamonds which they didnt suspect.

On board 13, we had misunderstanding with pard on 4th round of biding, where i thought my bid promised a spade fit, while he took it as a spade control. After a while we ended up in 6♥, doubled and i made it. Them being unhappy about our explanations called director, and i gave a weblink to Dan Neils system page for our system for him to check, turns out partner was right :D

[CSGibson]

Board 14 of round J20 in the Junior Europeans was rather spectacular. Partner has shown very little in values (0-4 with 0 controls) and at least 3 card support. What do you think here?

 

IMPs scoring btw.

 

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I like a prior poster's point about 5N, with the idea that hearts will play better, perhaps, but I hate the idea of introducing clubs - one of the biggest things I have going for me is that they don't know that they have to keep their 4 clubs to the T instead of 4 hearts to the J or 4 diamonds to the Q.

 

So I think 5N is a great idea, with the plan of forcing to 7.