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Butler, Both Red: A 5 9 8 7 x x A Q x x x x

Pa-(1)-???

I might have another question depending on what you choose.

IMO 1 = 10, 1 = 9, Pass = 8, Double = 6, 2N = 4.

2N expresses a serious opinion that we play the hand, so is inappropriate, vulnerable. Trendy players will have no compunction about overcalling 1 in spite of the lousy suit :)

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IMO 1 = 10, 1 = 9, Pass = 8, Double = 6, 2N = 5. 2N should express a serious opinion that we should play the hand, so is inappropriate, vulnerable. Modern players will have no compunction about overcalling 1 in spite of the lousy suit :)

Yes they will. 1 is awful.

 

On the other hand, given that partner is a passed hand, 2NT is not out of the question. The vulnerability is daunting, however. So I vote for 1.

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I think 2NT is crazy with this low ODR vunerable, putting us into a 1100 risk when the opponents cannot make slam and might even go down in game.

 

I'd bid 1 if partner was not a passed hand, but since he is I aim to get a good lead and perhaps push them to 3/4 level, so 1.

 

This can be very wrong since a hand such as AKxx and out gives us good game chances, but I feel pessimistic today.

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Butler, Both Red:

 

A5

987xx

AQxxx

x

 

Pa-(1)-???

 

I might have another question depending on what you choose.

 

 

What does 2NT show in your system when vulnerable? 5-5 reds and at least close to opening values? Or at least an opener ? If so thats what i have and i would bid 2NT.

 

If you have much high requirements then it is really tuff. You don't wanna miss bid but otoh you madly wanna avoid lead if pd is on lead and he will be i am afraid.

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First, I'm not making any 2 level call showing 2 suits with this hand. Partner has already passed. So with a mediocre fit, any preference partner takes can potentially lead to a blood bath.

 

Yeah, game might be there if partner holds AKxx, but a part score looks like the limit of the hand our way most of the time. On a considerable number of hands, the opponents may be declaring. So I'm making the call least likely to get partner off to the wrong defense.

 

I bid 1 .

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Pa-(1)-1-(1)

1N-(Pa)-Pa-(2)

Pa-(Pa)-???

 

Now I have a totaly obvious 2 NT bid... This will show x45y or maybe xy54, but this is better then nothing.

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Now I have a totaly obvious 2 NT bid... This will show x45y or maybe xy54, but this is better then nothing.

 

Well done Roland, and your partner with a 4324 hand will bid......wait for it......drum roll....3D!

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Yes Ron, I agree this is a big downside. But I bet, I will usually not get a good score in 2 Spade and I will bet that they will have sometimes difficulties to double us....
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even vulnerability

 

 

 

2N

 

 

 

emphasizing this wretched heart suit seems way off base to me. With 2N

I get immediate benefit of preemption and I give my p two places to sac

if its appropriate and this allows my p to better appreciate the values of

their red suit cards. This 2n bid has a tendency to favor diamonds since

we would be much more willing to overcall 1h (most likely game) with

decent hearts. I do not feel the 2n bid actively invites game any more than

a 1s 2n (minors) bid would. P should expect a hand of about this length

and strength at these colors.

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Bidding 1 and passing over 2, is it making? Maybe partner has many more black cards than red and we don't have a good fit. Perhaps the other tables bid 2nt find themselves in 3 hearts and Club club, lose a trump club taps me and opener has a 2434 type hand.

Could be -200 versus -110 or +100 if we can beat 2s.

 

Yes I'm creating a 'fantasy' but not giving imps away willy nilly isn't bad bridge.

 

Bidding 1 with me is much better IMO than forcing to the 3 level, opposite a passed hand when Vulnerable, with 9xxxx in my Major, against decent opponents you'll give up -200 or -500 too often to gain on winning the partscore battle.

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Agree that 1 > 2N. 2N is an anti-percentage overbid, even if partner is in on the style and could be counted on underbidding in response. It's a bad compromise to force to the 3-level because one finds the heart suit too bad for a simple 1-level overcall.
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I'd overcall 1. We're unlikely to compete beyond the three-level, and we're just as likely to have a diamond fit as a heart fit.

 

Having bid 1, I don't see the point of 2NT. If partner is 3=2 in the reds, he won't bid 3. He's probably not 2=3, because he would already have supported diamonds. If he's 2=2, anything we do will be a disaster. So if I'm going to bid I may as well bid 3 directly. Partner may look a bit puzzled, but he can't really do anything except pass it.

 

But anyway, why would I want to bid anything? I don't like defending at the two-level when I've got some shape and some points, but this hand has warning signs all over it. Partner's most likely shape is 3325, and I know he has high cards in spades and probably clubs. I have Ax of their trump suit, whereas our likely trump suit is headed by the nine. I have no diamond pips, so even opposite Kx I'll probably need a ruff to get the suit going. One of our spade winners may get ruffed. Against 2 I'll be happy to ruff one of RHO's clubs, whereas in three of a red suit I really don't want to be made to ruff anything in hand. If partner has the wrong hand or the trumps don't break I'll probably get doubled. The more I think about it the less I want to bid.

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This reminds me of the time that I held this hand (I was white however):

A, 8xxxx, Jx, 9xxxx

Partner passed and then RHO opened 1 and I overcalled 1. Partner now rams me into game which made. I was later asked why I didn't bid 2nt, I replied "If I show both suits he won't know which suit I want him to lead!"

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2 - hearts and a minor. I like playing two-level bids as Multi Landy (as if they had opened 1NT). But this is only legal if a club could show two.

You can get around this to some extent with the method I sometimes post:

 

2 = weak jump overcall in a major; or + , strong

2 = wjo

2 = majors, weak

2 = + , weak

2NT = + , weak or strong

3 = majors, strong

 

It does mean committing to the 3 level with the red suits but in return you reclaim a wjo in diamonds.

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