Hanoi5 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Butler, Both Red: ♠A5♥987xx♦AQxxx♣x Pa-(1♣)-??? I might have another question depending on what you choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Butler, Both Red: ♠ A 5 ♥ 9 8 7 x x ♦ A Q x x x ♣ xPa-(1♣)-???I might have another question depending on what you choose. IMO 1♦ = 10, 1♥ = 9, Pass = 8, Double = 6, 2N = 4. 2N expresses a serious opinion that we play the hand, so is inappropriate, vulnerable. Trendy players will have no compunction about overcalling 1♥ in spite of the lousy suit :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 IMO 1♦ = 10, 1♥ = 9, Pass = 8, Double = 6, 2N = 5. 2N should express a serious opinion that we should play the hand, so is inappropriate, vulnerable. Modern players will have no compunction about overcalling 1♥ in spite of the lousy suit :)Yes they will. 1♥ is awful. On the other hand, given that partner is a passed hand, 2NT is not out of the question. The vulnerability is daunting, however. So I vote for 1♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 1H of course. Hiding a 5 card Major is lol. Pdcould have AKxx of H and out and you have a play for 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 ♥ suit could be worse. 1♥ and 2NT are both fine imo, prefer 2NT tbh (quick in quick out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I'm not that crazy about forcing to the three level on this hand. 1♥ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I think 2NT is crazy with this low ODR vunerable, putting us into a 1100 risk when the opponents cannot make slam and might even go down in game. I'd bid 1♥ if partner was not a passed hand, but since he is I aim to get a good lead and perhaps push them to 3/4 level, so 1♦. This can be very wrong since a hand such as ♥AKxx and out gives us good game chances, but I feel pessimistic today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 2♥ - hearts and a minor. I like playing two-level bids as Multi Landy (as if they had opened 1NT). But this is only legal if a club could show two. Failing that, I would definitely bid 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Butler, Both Red: ♠A5♥987xx♦AQxxx♣x Pa-(1♣)-??? I might have another question depending on what you choose. What does 2NT show in your system when vulnerable? 5-5 reds and at least close to opening values? Or at least an opener ? If so thats what i have and i would bid 2NT. If you have much high requirements then it is really tuff. You don't wanna miss ♥ bid but otoh you madly wanna avoid ♥ lead if pd is on lead and he will be i am afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 1♥ for me. 2NT is too much and I'm bidding with the hope of getting the contract, so I'll show my major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 First, I'm not making any 2 level call showing 2 suits with this hand. Partner has already passed. So with a mediocre fit, any preference partner takes can potentially lead to a blood bath. Yeah, game might be there if partner holds ♥ AKxx, but a part score looks like the limit of the hand our way most of the time. On a considerable number of hands, the opponents may be declaring. So I'm making the call least likely to get partner off to the wrong defense. I bid 1 ♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Pa-(1♣)-1♦-(1♠)1N-(Pa)-Pa-(2♠)Pa-(Pa)-??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Pa-(1♣)-1♦-(1♠)1N-(Pa)-Pa-(2♠)Pa-(Pa)-??? Now that I have misbid by overcalling 1D, I have a totally obvious pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Pa-(1♣)-1♦-(1♠)1N-(Pa)-Pa-(2♠)Pa-(Pa)-??? Now I have a totaly obvious 2 NT bid... This will show x45y or maybe xy54, but this is better then nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Now I have a totaly obvious 2 NT bid... This will show x45y or maybe xy54, but this is better then nothing. Well done Roland, and your partner with a 4324 hand will bid......wait for it......drum roll....3D! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Yes Ron, I agree this is a big downside. But I bet, I will usually not get a good score in 2 Spade and I will bet that they will have sometimes difficulties to double us.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Pa-(1♣)-1♦-(1♠)1N-(Pa)-Pa-(2♠)Pa-(Pa)-???You got what you deserved... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 even vulnerability 2N emphasizing this wretched heart suit seems way off base to me. With 2NI get immediate benefit of preemption and I give my p two places to sacif its appropriate and this allows my p to better appreciate the values of their red suit cards. This 2n bid has a tendency to favor diamonds sincewe would be much more willing to overcall 1h (most likely game) with decent hearts. I do not feel the 2n bid actively invites game any more thana 1s 2n (minors) bid would. P should expect a hand of about this lengthand strength at these colors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbenvic Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Bidding 1♦ and passing over 2♠, is it making? Maybe partner has many more black cards than red and we don't have a good fit. Perhaps the other tables bid 2nt find themselves in 3 hearts and Club club, lose a trump club taps me and opener has a 2434 type hand. Could be -200 versus -110 or +100 if we can beat 2s. Yes I'm creating a 'fantasy' but not giving imps away willy nilly isn't bad bridge. Bidding 1♦ with me is much better IMO than forcing to the 3 level, opposite a passed hand when Vulnerable, with 9xxxx in my Major, against decent opponents you'll give up -200 or -500 too often to gain on winning the partscore battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Agree that 1♦ > 2N. 2N is an anti-percentage overbid, even if partner is in on the style and could be counted on underbidding in response. It's a bad compromise to force to the 3-level because one finds the heart suit too bad for a simple 1-level overcall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 I'd overcall 1♦. We're unlikely to compete beyond the three-level, and we're just as likely to have a diamond fit as a heart fit. Having bid 1♦, I don't see the point of 2NT. If partner is 3=2 in the reds, he won't bid 3♥. He's probably not 2=3, because he would already have supported diamonds. If he's 2=2, anything we do will be a disaster. So if I'm going to bid I may as well bid 3♥ directly. Partner may look a bit puzzled, but he can't really do anything except pass it. But anyway, why would I want to bid anything? I don't like defending at the two-level when I've got some shape and some points, but this hand has warning signs all over it. Partner's most likely shape is 3325, and I know he has high cards in spades and probably clubs. I have Ax of their trump suit, whereas our likely trump suit is headed by the nine. I have no diamond pips, so even opposite Kx I'll probably need a ruff to get the suit going. One of our spade winners may get ruffed. Against 2♠ I'll be happy to ruff one of RHO's clubs, whereas in three of a red suit I really don't want to be made to ruff anything in hand. If partner has the wrong hand or the trumps don't break I'll probably get doubled. The more I think about it the less I want to bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSClyde Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 This reminds me of the time that I held this hand (I was white however):A, 8xxxx, Jx, 9xxxxPartner passed and then RHO opened 1♣ and I overcalled 1♥. Partner now rams me into game which made. I was later asked why I didn't bid 2nt, I replied "If I show both suits he won't know which suit I want him to lead!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 2♥ - hearts and a minor. I like playing two-level bids as Multi Landy (as if they had opened 1NT). But this is only legal if a club could show two.You can get around this to some extent with the method I sometimes post: 2♣ = weak jump overcall in a major; or ♠ + ♦, strong2♦ = wjo2♥ = majors, weak2♠ = ♠ + ♦, weak2NT = ♥ + ♦, weak or strong3♣ = majors, strong It does mean committing to the 3 level with the red suits but in return you reclaim a wjo in diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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