lycier Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 这是昨晚TM遇到的一副牌例： [hv=sn=地,风,火,天|st%7C%7Cmd%7C3S469TJH46DTQC567J%2CS3H59JD68JKAC49QA%2CSH237TQKD3457C23T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%205%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4D%7Can%7Cs%20suiter%20with%208.5tricks%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%21%7Can%7Crelay%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cr%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4N%7Can%7Crkc%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5H%21%7Can%7Cask%20Q%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6C%7Can%7Cck%2Bsq%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C7N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CCJ%7C]499|350[/hv] 而另一桌： [hv=sn=金,木,水,火|st%7C%7Cmd%7C3S469TJH46DTQC567J%2CS3H59JD68JKAC49QA%2CSH237TQKD3457C23T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%205%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5H%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7C5N%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7C6D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C7S%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD7%7C]499|350[/hv] 我认为，这牌之所以失败，原因是计点制的余毒未能彻底在脑中清除，不断作祟的结果。是配合产生的赢墩，不是大牌点，配合的程度决定赢墩数！请大家分析：1-两桌开叫是否正确2-如何展开？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 是配合产生的赢墩不是大牌点配合的程度决定赢墩数！忘掉大牌点吧！忘掉 忘掉 忘掉必须忘掉！！！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVAN CY LO Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 是配合产生的赢墩不是大牌点配合的程度决定赢墩数！忘掉大牌点吧！忘掉 忘掉 忘掉必须忘掉！！！ 曾經以15點大牌點打成5階低花及24點打成6階低花貫的人十分讚成此說法。 :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 我只能说南的加倍很愚蠢（对对方自动叫上去的满贯的加倍只有两种：指示首攻的加倍，或者断定对方无处可逃到加倍）。我对东西的叫牌没有太大的批评，开叫1S还是4D，依各人的体系而定。除了最后西该改叫7NT。第二桌的叫牌更符合我的风格。AKQ领头的7张套，一般都假设可以单独定将牌而无输张（比如低花AKQxxxx可开叫赌博性3NT）。 只要做庄顺序对头，7NT有12个顶张赢墩（3S+1H+5D+3C），第13墩会从对南的挤牌中产生。 大牌点对均型的无将牌，有挺好的指导作用，对畸形牌，靠的是配合和控制。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 配合产生的赢墩没有错，但我认为仅适用于有将定约。其实，次序打对，就有对南家黑花色的挤牌，东西（注意：这时东西的牌没有做任何调整）就能完成7NT。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVAN CY LO Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 “配合产生的赢墩”没有错，但我认为仅适用于有将定约。其实，次序打对，就有对南家黑花色的挤牌，东西（注意：这时东西的牌没有做任何调整）就能完成7NT。 說得也有道理，黑花缺2張J，如同時由1位防守人防守，只要拔光紅色花色贏楝的6楝牌(H1，D5)，剩下7楝牌他必需棄守一門J 的護張。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 这里南的加倍，使我想起最近看到的一副牌例。 [hv=pc=n&s=st4hj53d86cakqj96&w=s852ht9876dq92c84&n=sqj73hakqdakj3ct3&e=sak96h42dt754c752&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=2np6nppd7cppdppp&p=hthqh2h3ctc2c6c4dad4d6d2hkh4h5h6c3c5cac8ckh7s3c7cqs2s7s6cjs5sjs9c9h8haskhjh9]399|300[/hv] 南凭着自己的C长套，赌6NT。东自己首攻，本来满足于SAK，宕一，结果加倍。南估计到了东有两个赢墩可兑现，只好逃到7C，让西首攻。西“自然”首攻H10，在第10墩（南的HJ）上，东只好寄希望于同伴有S10，垫去SA，南做成7C。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVAN CY LO Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 这里南的加倍，使我想起最近看到的一副牌例。 [hv=pc=n&s=st4hj53d86cakqj96&w=s852ht9876dq92c84&n=sqj73hakqdakj3ct3&e=sak96h42dt754c752&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=2np6nppd7cppdppp&p=hthqh2h3ctc2c6c4dad4d6d2hkh4h5h6c3c5cac8ckh7s3c7cqs2s7s6cjs5sjs9c9h8haskhjh9]399|300[/hv] 南凭着自己的C长套，赌6NT。东自己首攻，本来满足于SAK，宕一，结果加倍。南估计到了东有两个赢墩可兑现，只好逃到7C，让西首攻。西“自然”首攻H10，在第10墩（南的HJ）上，东只好寄希望于同伴有S10，垫去SA，南做成7C。 第10輪北墊SQ，東只好跟墊SA，南再打ST，然後飛西的DQ。 如第10輪東墊D 留SA，則飛DQ。 手順是不是這樣子? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 第10輪北墊SQ，東只好跟墊SA，南再打ST，然後飛西的DQ。如第10輪東墊D 留SA，則飛DQ。手順是不是這樣子?东家加倍6NT属于没事找事。东持黑桃两个大牌，同时还有方块长套，这是上天对南北的眷顾－－不但能飞中西家的方块，还能挤住东家黑桃和方块。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 不针对无将？不一定的。比如我们采用西部式扣叫就介绍过这样牌面： [hv=pc=n&s=sq92ht54dt9caqt86&w=s543hakqj963d86c2&n=saj8h82dkq7543cj9&e=skt76h7daj2ck7543&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=p1h2ddp3dp3nppp]399|300[/hv]Lead C 在"哈曼法则之我见"，这类牌面有所介绍。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sq92ht54dt9caqt86&w=s543hakqj963d86c2&n=saj8h82dkq7543cj9&e=skt76h7daj2ck7543&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=p1h2ddp3dp3nppp]399|300[/hv]Lead C这个牌我觉得只是关键的大牌点和控制长对了地方，和配合产生赢墩无关。见仁见智！何况首攻还不对。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haikuo Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 比赛中这样的牌太多，以后我加倍一定要谨慎，这次双人赛犯了一副类似的错误，就是想得太少了，谢谢！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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