cargobeep Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=pp1s2hd]133|100[/hv] Rubber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 You either play negative doubles or you don't. If you do, it is one. If you don't, it is hearts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 But nearly anybody plays it as take out, so it is one.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 When I've played rubber for money, it's been normal - required, I believe - for everyone to play simple, old-fashioned methods, including penalty doubles in this position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Penalties at every rubber bridge club I've played at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Penalties at every rubber bridge club I've played at.Interesting. I do not play at rubber clubs or for money, but I have heard this kind of thing before. I have also heard of rubber clubs where conventions are banned entirely .. you must bid what you have. (are even takeout doubles disallowed? Lightner doubles?) What I wonder is, why is this the case? Why do so many rubber players, seemingly, insist on using inferior and outdated methods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 it is fun to bid fully natural when the opponents are handicapped as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Interesting. I do not play at rubber clubs or for money, but I have heard this kind of thing before. I have also heard of rubber clubs where conventions are banned entirely .. you must bid what you have. (are even takeout doubles disallowed? Lightner doubles?) What I wonder is, why is this the case? Why do so many rubber players, seemingly, insist on using inferior and outdated methods? It's just the way it is, at least in the UK. At the beginning of each rubber you just agree a no trump range. You are also allowed to agree five-card majors, but thats it. You don't have to bid what you have (except at the Portland) and Lightner doubles are fine (but partner leads the wrong thing 100% of the time anyway). Doubles are for take-out unless partner has made a call other than pass. After that they are all penalties. A few other gadgets (other than Stayman and the old Black) are used - splinters, UCBs and the unusual NT, but basically you could be playing in 1970 or earlier. Rather than outdated, consider these methods timeless ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 It's just the way it is, at least in the UK. At the beginning of each rubber you just agree a no trump range. You are also allowed to agree five-card majors, but thats it. You don't have to bid what you have (except at the Portland) and Lightner doubles are fine (but partner leads the wrong thing 100% of the time anyway). Doubles are for take-out unless partner has made a call other than pass. After that they are all penalties. A few other gadgets (other than Stayman and the old Black) are used - splinters, UCBs and the unusual NT, but basically you could be playing in 1970 or earlier. Rather than outdated, consider these methods timeless ...I started playing in 1972, and these methods (or lack thereof) were antiquated even then. Perhaps 1940 would be more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 You are also allowed to agree five-card majors Heresy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 It's just the way it is, at least in the UK. At the beginning of each rubber you just agree a no trump range. You are also allowed to agree five-card majors, but thats it. You don't have to bid what you have (except at the Portland) and Lightner doubles are fine (but partner leads the wrong thing 100% of the time anyway). Doubles are for take-out unless partner has made a call other than pass. After that they are all penalties. A few other gadgets (other than Stayman and the old Black) are used - splinters, UCBs and the unusual NT, but basically you could be playing in 1970 or earlier. Rather than outdated, consider these methods timeless ...Are 2 bids strong or weak or do you have a choice? If strong (or weak), does 2C have to be natural (strong (or weak)) or can it be any GF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Are 2 bids strong or weak or do you have a choice? If strong (or weak), does 2C have to be natural (strong (or weak)) or can it be any GF? Acol twos. 2♣ strong any. No choice! 2♣ was never widely played as natural and strong in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galbrayek Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 undoubtly it is a take out dbl,for it is nearly meaningless to consider this dbl as a penalty dbl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 undoubtly it is a take out dbl,for it is nearly meaningless to consider this dbl as a penalty dblYou would think so but English rubber bridge is a "special" game. It is a bit like having a Tour de France where none of the riders use drugs and everyone uses bikes made from steel. It is a fair contest because everyone does the same; it is just a different type of contest from the one you might be used to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 It is a bit like having a Tour de France where none of the riders use drugs and everyone uses bikes made from steel. Transfer responses to 1♣ is basically blood-doping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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