MrAce Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I was watching vugraph today, the match between Italy-Turkey jrs. All vulnerable, teams, N held , rho opens 1♠ xxxxAKxxxxJT9 Alfredo Versace was asked by other commentators if he would overcall with this (i will post his reply later) 1-How about you ? 2- What is the minimal change in this hand that would make it worth 2♦ overcall for you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Presumably RHO opened 1♥ or 1♠? I would consider bidding 2♦ if partner is a passed hand. Otherwise pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I was watching vugraph today, the match between Italy-Turkey jrs.All vulnerable, teams, N held ♠ x x x ♥ x ♦ A K x x x x ♣ J T 9Alfredo Versace was asked by other commentators if he would overcall with this (i will post his reply later)1-How about you ? 2- What is the minimal change in this hand that would make it worth 2♦ overcall for you ? At teams, game-all:On the actual hand, IMO: Pass = 10, 2♦ = 6, 3♦ = 4. Although standards for 2-level overcalls seem to be slipping -- and juniors tend to be adventurous.More conservative players would consider a two-level overcall with better trumps, e.g. ♠ x x x ♥ x ♦ A K J T x x ♣ J T 9Cowards, like me, require opening bid strength e.g ♠ x x x ♥ x ♦ A K Q J x x ♣ K x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 If RHO opened 1C, I would bid 1D now.If RHO opened 1H, I would pass but bid 2D with xxx, x, AK10xxx, KxxIf RHO opened 1H, I would pass but bid 2D with xxx, x, AK10xxx, KJxIf RHO opened 1S, I would pass but bid 2D with Kxx, x, AKJxxx, xxx (note: if compelled to hold xxx in spades over a 1S opening, my hand would be very good outside: xxx, Kxx, AKJxxx, A or close) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I wouldn't make a vulnerable two-level overcall with this. ♦10 plus another king would be enough for an overcall. ♦109 without any other honours would be enough for 3♦. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I would say it depends. If my partner prefers sound overcalls when vulnerable I would always pass without second thoughts. Playing with a flexible partner I think its very close but I still pass, unless I feel that we need to do something. Then I will bid 2♦. I will not consider 3♦ under any circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Versace would bid 2♦ over either major. I am a paper tiger, so I will vote for 2♦ as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Versace would bid 2♦ over either major. I am a paper tiger, so I will vote for 2♦ as well. Italians are actually pretty solid overcallers compared to other top European players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Presumably RHO opened 1♥ or 1♠? I would consider bidding 2♦ if partner is a passed hand. Otherwise pass. Thank you Helen my bad, I edited the OP hope it works because I did it on my iphone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Italians are actually pretty solid overcallers compared to other top European players. The hands from my database do not reflect this view. QTxxx and out is OK nv at the one-level for instance (Versace). Vul at the two-level is a different kettle of fish, of course ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 2D. Sue me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 The hands from my database do not reflect this view. QTxxx and out is OK nv at the one-level for instance (Versace). Vul at the two-level is a different kettle of fish, of course ... I got this view from their system notes, interviews in past (if i remember correctly with bridge winners or another bridge site) and from people close to him. QTxxx and out totally surprised me i have to admit. If you say it is in your database i will take your word on it. I agree this is way too light even for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 No, its not close for me. Even with QJT in clubs I would still pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I would overcall, overcalling over 1S is w/e but I would not want to play a style where I passed over 1H. Passing with QJT of clubs is just very far from any style I have ever played. Italians are actually pretty solid overcallers compared to other top European players. Maybe this is true in general but Versace is as aggressive as any good player I've seen with overcalls, he is known for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 QTxxx and out is OK nv at the one-level for instance (Versace). Vul at the two-level is a different kettle of fish, of course ... One of my very first hands with Kevin Bathurst I overcalled QTxxx xx xxxx xx over 1C w/r. He tried for slam and we went down 2 in 4S. I said not to worry, they make 130 so we'll win one. That pretty much set the tone for our partnership lol. People think that kind of stuff is nutso which is fine but I don't think overcalling AKxxxx and JT9 at the 2 level is nearly as non mainstream. Maybe over 1S with 3 little spades it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 very interesting thread but I got lost at the end... all vul who is overcalling 2d with this hand and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I am in no position to advise, debate, or predict Versace. However, if I overcall at the 2-level with 3 small spades behind 1♠ the rest of my hand will be a whole lot better than that one. Give me four small behind, and then it's a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Very borderline for me, I wouldn't mind if partner passed and I wouldn't mind if he overcalled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I will pass over 1♠ and bid 3♦ over 1♥. Change a small diamond to the queen and I would overcall 2♦ over 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I'm even worse. I'd bid 3D: this suit, no other major fit, lead this, no more to say.Embarassed if DAK +HA+H-ruff beats their 4S and we lose 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 2♦ is ok, I'd bid it. Could be bad, but if we have a big fit and they have spades, I will be very happy to have overcalled.3♦ vul/vul is begging for a bad board, so little upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 pretty much like Andy, I would rather bid 3♦ than 2, reserving 2♦ for hands I'd at least open at the 1 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Commentator : N could have overcalled 2♦ over 1♠, would you Alfredo ? Versace : Not vulnerable, yes non vulnerable, with this weak hand now i need 6-4 to bid 2♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Commentator : N could have overcalled 2♦ over 1♠, would you Alfredo ? Versace : Not vulnerable, yes non vulnerable, with this weak hand now i need 6-4 to bid 2♦ Obvious disinformation - the only reason he is commentating is to give off false reads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Obvious disinformation - the only reason he is commentating is to give off false reads. Wow...you really seem to not give much credit to his intentions. Is it because he once in his life overcalled with QTxxx and out ? Or do you have more of similar examples ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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