MrAce Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 1(x)-DBL-(pass)-3x ? Please also tell me the difference, if any, when the x suit is a minor and when it is a major. If there is no std for it, please tell me how you and your pd play it. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 I don't know if there's a standard meaning. The two meanings I have played are:- Asking for a stopper, with something like AK10xxx of a minor and nothing else.- One-suited slam try in an unspecified suit (or unspecified major). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 3 of a suit over the one-bid looks like one of our opening 3-bids in our style.3 in a suit under is a mama-papa 5+ suit with 9-11 or so expected.3 of their suit ---don't think I have ever done that. Will await some good answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 3 of a suit over the one-bid looks like one of our opening 3-bids in our style.3 in a suit under is a mama-papa 5+ suit with 9-11 or so expected.3 of their suit ---don't think I have ever done that. Will await some good answers. I meant the x suit is the suit they opened with. Sorry if this was not clear. So basically i am asking a jump cuebid when pd doubled and RHO passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 There is no standard, and I also think its a very misused bid (for the lack of utility given) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Never specifically discussed this, but it seems like a stopper-ask by general principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 We play it as a single-suited game force in a (or the other) major. Also if third hand bids at the 1-level (e.g. 1D dbl 1H 3D - still an unspecified major)I don't think there is a standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 I strongly suspect that most of my partners, if I made this bid, would have no clue what it meant. But then most of my current partners, when I suggest that we should discuss such things, are not interested. I probably need some new partners. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVAN CY LO Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 If X is major, I would think this jump cue is asking for stopper. If X is minor, splinter and GF in major suit, probably holding 5440 or 5431 or 5530 with short in opener suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 There is no standard meaning that I know of. Most of the sensible meanings have already been mentioned but one that has not come up yet is differentiating between 4 and 5 card jumps; so (1♥) - X - (P) - 3♥ could be played as extras with 5+ spades. Some players even give up a 3♠ advance for this so it has to be sound. Of course, this does not work if their suit is spades and if their suit were a minor, you would have to choose which major was shown. It is probably not even worth the effort to even define the bid for non-expert partnerships. As Adam wrote, it will often be defined as a stopper-ask just by general meta-rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I'd think it's a stopper ask, although I don't think it's good use and moreover I don't think I've ever encountered this auction. Doubler rates to be short in opener's suit, so usually he doesn't have a stopper anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I'm pretty sure that Meckwell use (1M) - X - (P) - 3M as a transfer to 3NT. I don't know, but I could see (1m) - X - (P) - 3m as the same. I know Garozzo, in his system Ambra, came up with uses for every bid up to and including 3NT on 1x - (X), so why not just use those same bids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 In standard methods it has no meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I'm pretty sure that Meckwell use (1M) - X - (P) - 3M as a transfer to 3NT. I don't know, but I could see (1m) - X - (P) - 3m as the same. I know Garozzo, in his system Ambra, came up with uses for every bid up to and including 3NT on 1x - (X), so why not just use those same bids? Meckwell [and others] play 1D (1M) 3M as a transfer to 3N to put overcaller on lead. Why would you choose to put opener's partner on lead after 1M-X-P? After 1x - (X) lots of bids are raises of x, it would make no sense to play the same scheme after (1x)-X-(P). Add me to the chorus of people who haven't discussed the call and wouldn't make it at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Source of tricks bid asking for a stopper. AKJTxx(x) is enough if you live for danger. If the doubler can't bid 3nt, cheapest suit works as we always have a landing spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunling Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 I'm pretty sure that Meckwell use (1M) - X - (P) - 3M as a transfer to 3NT. I don't know, but I could see (1m) - X - (P) - 3m as the same. I know Garozzo, in his system Ambra, came up with uses for every bid up to and including 3NT on 1x - (X), so why not just use those same bids? As I know, though Garozzo use transfers on 2x or higher bids, he wrote that 3x-1 shows a GF balanced hand, which (I think) is just a stopper ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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