Zelandakh Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Don, after 3♥ I think it would be more common to play 3♠ as natural. Whether to play 4♣ as natural might depend on what hands can be contained within the 2♦ response. Regardless, I think it is sensible for Responder to take control after 3♥ here having responded 2♦ - partner can never play us for this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale57 Posted July 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Winstonm hit the nail on the head! Partner and I don't have any "sophisticated" agreements- that's why I keep posting here :) She went into the tank and eventually bid 6♠. Since she didn't ask for aces, I was SURE we had all four (yep, no Key Card). The K♠ was still a mystery but I felt I had extras and bid 7. The four hands:[hv=pc=n&s=s2hdk9863cqjt8432&w=sqjt764hkqj9d7ck6&n=s9853h87654dtc975&e=sakhat32daqj542ca&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=2cp2sp6sp7sppp]399|300[/hv]Fortunately for us, North led his stiff ♦ rather than a safe ♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Yes, that is why 7NT after West counts 13 tricks is the safe final contract. Nothing terribly sophisticated about West asking for Aces and the king of spades unless East gets in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale57 Posted July 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Yes, that is why 7NT after West counts 13 tricks is the safe final contract. Nothing terribly sophisticated about West asking for Aces and the king of spades unless East gets in the way. ??? Yes, I realize 7N with 13 top tricks is better. At what point can West count 13 tricks? At what point does West ask for aces- over 2♣ or over 6♠? We don't have a way to ask for the K♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 ??? Yes, I realize 7N with 13 top tricks is better. At what point can West count 13 tricks? At what point does West ask for aces- over 2♣ or over 6♠? We don't have a way to ask for the K♠.It is easier, as I said earlier, if our style does not fit a 2C opening with the given hand. 1D-1S2H-3H (Leben)3S-4NT..If there are six key cards on this auction, we can count 13 tricks. If there aren't we have to ask for specific kings after finding all the bullets. Won't get back into the debate about what a 2C opener followed by 3m should look like, and really don't care what others (except partner) have decided on the subject. It was an observation that West could easily take over and count tricks on the above start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 At what point can West count 13 tricks?After East shows 4 aces and the ♠K. Making wild jumps like your partner's in game-forcing auctions without any real idea of where you want to end up is always likely to cause problems. Was South asleep by the way? This would be a more interesting discussion after a preempt in second hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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