Fluffy Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 ♠KQxx♥AQx♦x♣KJxxx partner opens 1♦ (precision 2+, limited to 15, 11-13 if balanced) RHO bids 3NT and describes it as solid minor. with nothing better to do you double, RHO will escape to 4♦. Our side is vulnerable and theirs is not if it matter.s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 I make a forcing pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 I was gonna double again, but if the pass is forcing count me in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 partner tries 4♥ over a forcing pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 partner tries 4♥ over a forcing passI'd pass. 4♠ might be better, but it might be worse too. I don't think he'll remove 4♠ to 5♣ with a 3424 shape. I suppose we might have slam on too, but we haven't even found an eight-card fit yet, and things aren't likely to break well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I feel pretty safe at the 5 level I would bid 4n which should be for 2 places to playclubs and a major with 5d being pick a major. Not going to risk playing in a 43 majorsuit fit. It is not much of a risk to try the 5 level who knows p may be able to get usto slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM75 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 ♠KQxx♥AQx♦x♣KJxxx partner opens 1♦ (precision 2+, limited to 15, 11-13 if balanced) RHO bids 3NT and describes it as solid minor. with nothing better to do you double, RHO will escape to 4♦. Our side is vulnerable and theirs is not if it matter.sProbably we need to know more. For example, does 2♦ deny a 5 card major? Does it deny 5 card clubs and 4 card major? What did my double show? If I make a forcing pass, what are partner's options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 "I'd pass. 4♠ might be better, but it might be worse too. I don't think he'll remove 4♠ to 5♣ with a 3424 shape...." I bid 4♠. I think partner should remove with gnasher's suggested hand. My forcing pass implies two possible suits to play, since we eliminate their suit and partner's four card suit I must have the blacks. Would not have made forcing pass with ♠ one suiter. By the way, under the Bridge World Standard agreements, the forcing pass is on only at this vulnerability(Unfavorable). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Pass then remove 4♥ to 4♠ to show the blacks. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Pass then remove 4♥ to 4♠ to show the blacks. What am I missing?Nothing, except that 4♥ might be your only game.Not sure that DBL of 3NT is such an obvious first move, but I guess many have no agreements what an immediate 4♣/4♦ should mean in this sequence. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Nothing, except that 4♥ might be your only game.Not sure that DBL of 3NT is such an obvious first move, but I guess many have no agreements what an immediate 4♣/4♦ should mean in this sequence. Rainer Herrmann I think the chances that 4♥ is best are low. If partner is 3433, he would double, so I expect a decent hand for play. And with: ♠AJx♥Kxxx♦xx♣AQxx He would have to be a drooler not to convert to 5♣, and I should arguably raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I think the chances that 4♥ is best are low. If partner is 3433, he would double, so I expect a decent hand for play. And with: ♠AJx♥Kxxx♦xx♣AQxx He would have to be a drooler not to convert to 5♣, and I should arguably raise.He can't have that hand, from the OP it looks like he'd have opened 1N with that. But I agree with your method, of P then remove 4♥ to 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Pass then remove 4♥ to 4♠ to show the blacks. What am I missing? How would you bid KJxxx AQx x KQxx ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 How would you bid KJxxx AQx x KQxx ? Double 3NT then bid 4♠ directly. Flexible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I think the chances that 4♥ is best are low. If partner is 3433, he would double, so I expect a decent hand for play. And with: ♠AJx♥Kxxx♦xx♣AQxx He would have to be a drooler not to convert to 5♣, and I should arguably raise. If he's removing 4♠ to 5♣, wouldn't he bid 4NT with a slam-suitable hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 If he's removing 4♠ to 5♣, wouldn't he bid 4NT with a slam-suitable hand? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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