lycier Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 [hv=sn=金,木,水,火&s=ST54HA7DQ74CAQ984&wn=hmc0353&w=SAH3DJT98632CKJ72&nn=GameBridge&n=SKQJ962HQT42DAKCT&en=lycier&e=S873HKJ9865D5C653&d=s&v=o&b=11&a=1C3DDP3NP6SPPP&p=D5D4D2DASQS8S4SADJDKS3D7H5H7H3HTS2S7STD3HAD6H2H6DQD8H4H8CAC2CTC6C4C7&c=11]499|350[/hv] 请大家好好总结这副牌的教训,那么问题是:1- 北家都犯了哪些叫牌错误呢?2- 如果是你该如何处理呢? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 这是同学们在俱乐部里的实战牌面 [hv=sn=东&s=ST62H974DJ82CKQ65&wn=都&w=S854HAJ65DKQC8732&nn=和&n=SAK73HQ82D754CJT9&en=了&e=SQJ9HKT3DAT963CA4&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=PP1DP1H1SD2SPPP&p=H3H4HAH8DKD5D3D2DQD7D6D8H5H2HKH7DADJC8D4DTSTC2HQS2S4SKS9SASJS6S5C9CAC5C7D9H9C3S3CJC4C6S8HJS7HTCQCTSQCKH6]499|350[/hv] 书上常说可以拿好的4张高花争叫,你觉得对吗?还需要什么附加的前置条件呢? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 AKxx,如果是双人赛,在pdpass过后无论什么局况1阶都是可以叫的。队式赛因为pass过,这样的1s也可以考虑,但应考虑一下局况,有对无,pd3张加叫到2s后,还是有一定的风险的。而现在的叫牌进程,有对无,而东家还没有第2次叫牌,我会选择pass。如果是无对有,则可以比较舒服的叫1s。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 如果是封局,我比较欣赏粗犷式的风格。只要认为成局的机会够了而又没有贯或者是划算的牺牲,一口封住,让opp痛苦得猜去吧。但是对于满贯,在有空间细叫的情况下,个人对于直接封上去是比较反感的。多年打牌经验告诉我,喜欢这样直接封到6的牌手,都是偏冒险型的风格,而这样叫出来的满贯,宕的时候居多。这样的叫牌,在队式赛感觉明显落后时用来博输赢是可以的,其他时候还是慢慢叫比较好。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuefeier Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 先直接叫套比较好 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuefeier Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 局况,位置,套质量,敌方花色中的长度 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 第二家争叫出4张套要在敌方所叫套中持有长度,第四家在对方开叫应叫后而且同伴已pass后拿4张套争叫更难更应慎重(而且你曾pass过),我觉得跟局况没太大关系。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 1C--3D--X--P3NT--P--?这时在想叫贯很难,我们少有在这方面的约定。不如这样叫:1C--3D--3S--P4S--P--?这时你如果想冲贯在发飙。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiaxiachun Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 回答这个问题,首先要弄明白你做四张套争叫的目的是什么,指示首功因此我可以这么说,你需尽量保证如下要求;1、你的四张必须足够强,不坏于KQT9,这是最基本的2、认定我方属于防守,即12-15p的好牌并不适合争叫,以免摊上4-3配;请你相信同伴,如果条件允许的话同伴会平衡的3、考虑我方主打4-3配订约的可能,为了不被缩将,建议你在敌人花色上拥有一定牌张控制 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiaxiachun Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 配合 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 3♦后直接同黑桃套好些,你不知道争叫阻击人的同伴的持牌牌力,你的黑桃套并不够艰固。如果同伴的黑桃没有配合而有四张红心,为什么要去蒙叫呢? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 一个枉自嗟呀一个空劳牵挂一个是水中月一个是镜中花想眼中能有多少泪珠儿怎经得秋流到冬尽春流到夏...... 第一副: [hv=sn=金,木,水,火|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S678AH5D369TJC58J%2CS245TJKHKD27AC2TK%2CS39QH269QAD48C34Q%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%203%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7C2H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSQ%7C]499|350[/hv] 2♥争叫却是一种经常性的侥幸心理在作怪,那么你觉得这样一副牌除了牌型分布不利的因素外,还欠缺点什么呢? 第二副: [hv=sn=lycier,nory%2044,Laidong1,Malulani|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S7KH48TQKDJKC36JA%2CS9JQAH357D58C24QK%2CS256TH26AD3TQC589%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%206%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cmc%7C9%7C]499|350[/hv] 都说1M--2M,2M=6-10hcp,果真如此吗?正常次序,6p3张支持是,应该有逼叫性1nt表达,然后叫回2♠,表示拒绝进局试探,警告同伴16-坏18p的进局成功希望渺茫... 第三副: [hv=sn=lycier,oaykir,Laidong1,suzusuzu|st%7C%7Cmd%7C3S59H348TJDJKC37QK%2CSKAH25KD2356C459T%2CS378TJH679AD8QCJA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2021%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cmc%7C8%7C]499|350[/hv] 经验告诉我,这样的牌面最好3♥邀请,而非心存侥幸的心理,直接进局。 望大家这段时间自我多总结自己的错误。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiaxiachun Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 1、二阶争叫必须保证套的强度、主打能力,因为你叫的的阶数对敌人讲已经不低了,同样也因为同伴改叫的空间有限2、这副牌没有什么好说的3、你说对了 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 第一副[hv=sn=midoh&s=SQJT9H43DT5CQT542&wn=SEL12&w=S84HK876DKJ2CJ976&nn=taroka&n=SAK76532HA9D98C83&en=mike777&e=SHQJT52DAQ7643CAK&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=1DP1H1S7HPPDPPP&p=SAH2S9S4HQH3H6HAD9&c=12]499|350[/hv] mike777是一位活跃在bbo论坛的专家牌手,7♥的胡乱蒙叫,大跌眼镜,如果换作你,如何展开后续呢? 第二副 [hv=sn=qdfei&s=SAQ32H6543DK76CA5&wn=bigpow&w=SJT84HKQJT8DTC643&nn=qdsun&n=SK9HDAQ9532CKQJ97&en=stan68&e=S765HA972DJ84CT82&d=n&v=o&b=1&a=1DP1SP3CP3HD4CP4DP5H(rkcb%20no%20h)P5SP6DP7DPPP&p=D4D6DTDAD2D8DKHK&c=13]499|350[/hv] 结果是最佳的,不代表叫牌序列正确,问题是:你如何正确叫上大满贯? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 1、当使用反冲问叫时,东在1♠后,叫4NT:表示以红心为将,黑桃缺门的罗马关键张问叫(因为此时的4♠是反冲)。同伴答出一个关键张时,止于6♥.2、在南的5♠后,北继续叫5NT:表示关键张齐全,有余力。南家看见自己在同伴的缺门(红心)上没有废点,还的黑桃Q和方块K,欣然叫上7♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzdhy668 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 第1副:就是粗野叫牌的必然结果,有那么多叫牌空间不用,学习叫牌体系目的又是为了什么?7H太粗野。第2副:南北对牌情表达比较准确,北跳叫3♣是因为♠上有Kx支持同伴,♥缺门,其他大牌点都在长套上,牌值升值潜力大,南3H应该是第4花色或许为了寻求NT(暗含有D支持),北越过3NT再叫4♣,一是满贯兴趣,二是强调♣长度和质量,南4♦支持同伴,5♥显示缺门和强烈满贯兴趣,5♠-6♦-7♦情理之中。个人愚见,也不知理解是否正确? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 5♥显示缺门和强烈满贯兴趣5♥的提示:没有红心,罗马关键张问叫。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kael chi Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 1、当使用反冲问叫时,东在1♠后,叫4NT:表示以红心为将,黑桃缺门的罗马关键张问叫(因为此时的4♠是反冲)。同伴答出一个关键张时,止于6♥.2、在南的5♠后,北继续叫5NT:表示关键张齐全,有余力。南家看见自己在同伴的缺门(红心)上没有废点,还的黑桃Q和方块K,欣然叫上7♦.我不是很会,不过我觉得第一副的直接4NT有点小问题。东S缺门用4NT问叫,西家回答一个关键张,会不会是SA?这样岂不是连6H都没有?我觉得东可能以扣叫2S表示很好的支持与还有S单缺为起点试探满贯。东的牌只有3个输墩,同伴只需要很少的牌力就可以有满贯,但是将牌的关键张如何找出还是个麻烦,听听各位大师的建议吧。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 我不是很会,不过我觉得第一副的直接4NT有点小问题。东S缺门用4NT问叫,西家回答一个关键张,会不会是SA?这样岂不是连6H都没有?我觉得东可能以扣叫2S表示很好的支持与还有S单缺为起点试探满贯。这个4NT不是通常意义的罗马关键张问叫,而是黑桃缺门的罗马关键张,要求同伴回答除黑桃外的关键张个数。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laidong1 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 呵呵~俺是南家。谢谢老师指导!我谈谈自战体会。1)X=双高,4-4,5-4,4-5.如果是5-5可以叫4D。2)3NT=基于上述,D套QXX算是一档。没有叫3S的原因。3)我个人认为X改为叫3S。S套和H套不是一个档次。3S=GF,以后有机会还可以叫H套。4)3NT后,N家自己DAK,PDQXX,3D=7+.那么E家D=0/1.在敌方套拿着大牌点,不是好事情。C单对PDC套,又一个不利因素!5)N自己没SA,又没有询问PD,明显找“屎”嘛~!!6)1C 3D 3S P 4S P 5S P P P一般分寸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kael chi Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 这个4NT不是通常意义的罗马关键张问叫,而是黑桃缺门的罗马关键张,要求同伴回答除黑桃外的关键张个数。谢谢!受教了 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVAN CY LO Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 第一副,持有OPP SUIT 的次級大牌時應保守。手上是5332 平均牌型輸張太多,2H 即使同伴有3張H支持也有可能宕2或宕3,如對方並無配合根本難以成局。在防守競叫時大牌點不是考慮因素,輸張及主打贏楝來源才是首要。 第二副,總楝數定律告訴我們何時該叫上局,我是打SAYC 此牌我會叫3H 讓同伴考慮進局。反而如是6張將牌高限,則可考慮直接進局。 第三副,同伴低限手上控制不是太好,進局希望多是3NT 而不是4H。 三副牌胡亂叫牌都是因為只懂高倫的大牌點計算,而對於加羅佐的藍梅花中的7/9/11 控制(GAME/SMALL SLAM/GRAND SLAM),總楝數定律及輸張計算認識太少所致。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 三副牌胡亂叫牌都是因為只懂高倫的大牌點計算,而對於加羅佐的藍梅花中的7/9/11 控制(GAME/SMALL SLAM/GRAND SLAM),總楝數定律及輸張計算認識太少所致。不情之请,请您论坛里介绍一下。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 学习了。一幅:1D--P--1H--1S 4nT(排除关键张问叫)二副:1D--P--1S--P 3C--P--3H--P 4C--P--4D--P 5H(空门rkcb)--P--5S(03)--P 7D如果问叫答叫精准我想到此就该进7了!空门罗马关键张问叫英语咋表达——请教? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunling Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 X这个叫品实在是不知所云。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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