minor suit fits

[sceptic]

I am very interested in minor suit fits etc, can I have some opinions on criss cross inverted minors, both uncontested and contested bidding and any other gadets I may need to learn THX

 

some examples or links would be nice

[helene_t]

I've had some discussions with both regular p's whether inverted minors applies in competition:

1♣-(1♠)-2♦

If this is a negative freebid, we need a way to show a strong hand with diamonds. For that purpose we use the cuebid. This means that we need inverted minors to show a strong hand with clubs. Alternatively you could play 3♦ as a strong jump shift. Not elegant but it will not cause problems too often.

1♣-(1♠)-2♣

Playing forcing freebids, this could be the 7-10 points. This is attractive since sometimes we will play in a 4-3 fit and then 2♣ may still be LOTT-safe but 3♣ would not.

This dillema is smaller if you play a weak 1NT but unfortunately we play 1NT as 15-17.

 

1♣-(dbl)-2NT

If this is Truscott, 3NT will often be wrong-sided. If it's inverted Truscot (weaker than 3♣), you loose on the preemptive effect with the very weak hand. You can use a jump in the other minor to show the strong raise. Of course, that has disadvantages, too.

[Fluffy]

I dunno what you exactly mean, I play 1♦-(p)-3♣ as limit minor 2 suiter, and 1♣-(p)-2♦ as very weak in a major.

[sceptic]

1 m - p - 2 m = GF

1 m - p - 3 m = 0- 7

1 C - p - 2D = limit raise

1 D - p - 3 C = limit raise

 

this is on an uncontested auction, I just want opinions on conteseted auctions and any other toy you can use to bid minor suit games etc

[inquiry]

Inverted minors should be off in competition (even over double).

 

This is what I like....

 

1C-P-2C = inverted, quasi game force

1D-P-2D = inverted, quasi game force

1C-P-2D = criss cross, limit club raise

1D-P-3C = criss cross, limit diamond raise

1C-P-2H = Reverse flannery by responder (5S, 4+h, weak)

1D-P-2H = Reverse flannery by responder (5S, 4+H, weak)

 

1C-bid-2NT = horribly weak preempt in clubs, or true game force

1D-bid-2NT = horribly weak preempt in diamonds, or true game force

1C-bid-cue bid = limit raise or better

1D-bid-cue bid = limite raise or better

1C-bid-3C = preempt in clubs but with some values

1D-bid-3D = preempt in diamonds but with some values

1C-bid-2C = raise, generally balanced type

1D-bid-2D = raise, generally balanced type

 

The 2NT in competition would Wrong Side 3NT so if you do this weak, be very, very weak. Your partner has been warned. If you bid again after 2NT it is GF.

 

Ben