xhq Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 25日晚上的队式训练赛总结:[hv=pc=n&s=s7haq743dkq92c752&w=saqt3hkj85d6cj864&n=s98642htdajt875cq&e=skj5h962d43cakt93&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=p1c2d3d4dppdp4hppp]399|300[/hv]这副牌叫牌过程如上,4H定约被加倍宕4。这副牌叫牌有两处值得讨论的地方:西没有理解东的3D扣叫。西后来加倍4D我觉得欠妥,结果叫到一个错误的定约4H被加倍。第二副[hv=pc=n&s=skt87hkqj983dca63&w=sqj62h62da4cjt854&n=sa4ht75djt632ck97&e=s953ha4dkq9875cq2&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=pp1d1hd2h3d3hppp]399|300[/hv]这副牌南家争叫1H,西家加倍后,北家加叫到2H是否有点叫弱了?在pd再叫3H后北家应该补上4H为宜。第三副[hv=pc=n&s=shaj643dak5ck9642&w=sk742h5dq872cqt85&n=saqj9hkt2djt96cj7&e=st8653hq987d43ca3&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=p1hp2dp3cp3hp4sp5dp6dp6hppp]399|300[/hv]这副牌北家的叫牌第一声、第二声叫牌值得商榷。北家能否谈谈你发动满贯的想法?南家黑桃缺门,黑桃上的点力浪费了,6H是肯定打不成的,就是4H做庄仔细才能mk。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunling Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 第一个5C不是铁的么 :( 第二个南家3H叫得太弱了,显然应该X第三个北家2D或许实力不是太足,但是第二口3H基本上是义务性的,南家没理由立刻4S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 第一副:3D没有多大问题,但不应该加倍4D。要么叫5C,要么pass。4H被加倍后仍然有机会叫5C(首攻H,H将吃,下一)。第二副:北在第一轮应该扣叫2D(或者1NT,表示正常加叫2H的实力),表示比2H加叫要好。在加倍后叫2H是弱牌(拿掉SA,或者CK后的叫品)。在南的3H之后,有点困难,因为南的3H是争叫,不是邀局。北如果要补救的话,叫4H也可,毕竟南的3H表示有点余力。第三副:北应该先应叫1S,那毕竟是北的主要牌力所在,不应该叫只有J的2D(如果北多一张D,少一张C,可以考虑应叫2D)。但南的4S也欠妥,毕竟1H-3C已经叫出了牌力,要试探满贯的话,可以叫4D或者3NT(严肃3NT)顺便说一句,不同意2楼的“3H是义务性”。3H在2D后应该是有满贯意图。要说谁的责任更大的话,北要负主要责任。毕竟南三门边花都有控制,且对同伴的花色有很好的支持。如果北的SQ换成DQ,满贯的机会就大多了。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00master Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 第一副,4♥-4说明庄家没做好而已。叫牌算不上大错,打43配的高花还是打5♣,主要是看临场选择。个人以为如果对方DBL4♥,那么还是要跑到5♣以保证将牌不失控。第二幅,北家2♥中规中矩。南家3♥有问题,要么DBL要么4H。第三幅,北家2♦如果是基于♥的配合,那么第二口要4♥封局。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liulang Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 11f副,3d叫品果真没问题吗?我认为后续的错误就是始于3d这个过头的叫品 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liulang Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 我总认为叫牌问题留给他们自己讨论,但防守和做庄问题,才值得我们去探讨,共性的东西讨论才有意义,拙见。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 1-不适切的pass [hv=sn=dvd,601821297,sungh,ar5810|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S3469QAHJD469C4QK%2CS5TKH2468KD27JAC8%2CS7H5QAD58TQKC37JA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Cmb%7C3S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cmc%7C9%7C]499|350[/hv] 北家在1♥开叫后,pass无语,我觉得不适切,不知sungh如何想的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 [hv=sn=chenxuemin,hmc0353,xuefeier,xhq|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S236TQH48QD8JQKC6%2CS79JKH26KD59AC5QK%2CS8H39TD3467TC379A%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%206%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cmc%7C10%7C]499|350[/hv] 不清楚xuefeier因何首攻♥ 3-非常勉强的行动 [hv=sn=chenxuemin,hmc0353,xuefeier,xhq|st%7C%7Cmd%7C3S6TQAH69QD238C89T%2CS359H2458JKD59C7J%2CSJKH37D467JC236QK%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%209%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Cmb%7C2N%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cp%21%7Can%7CF%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cmc%7C6%7C]499|350[/hv] 2nt争叫让人不可思议,花色与牌型均是不允许作出争叫的。而对不寻常的防守,南北家掌握得恰到好处。 [hv=sn=dvd,601821297,sungh,ar5810|st%7C%7Cmd%7C3S6TQAH69QD238C89T%2CS359H2458JKD59C7J%2CSJKH37D467JC236QK%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%209%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cmc%7C9%7C 结果,两边都输,一副普通的牌面竟然出现了12分的逆差。 4-全场最佳首攻[hv=sn=dvd,601821297,sungh,ar5810|st%7C%7Cmd%7C3S23QKH2QKD235C4JQ%2CS45TJH589JDJQC278%2CS78AH4TD78AC3569A%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2013%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cmc%7C7%7C]499|350[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 而另一桌: [hv=sn=chenxuemin,hmc0353,xuefeier,xhq|st%7C%7Cmd%7C3S23QKH2QKD235C4JQ%2CS45TJH589JDJQC278%2CS78AH4TD78AC3569A%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2013%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cmc%7C10%7C]499|350[/hv] 5-两边一样的进程,不满意的防守。 [hv=sn=dvd,601821297,sungh,ar5810|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S6H4TD2358TJQAC26%2CS28TJAH57JD47KC4Q%2CS34QH26QAD69C9TKA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2010%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cmc%7C7%7C]499|350[/hv] 如果北家♦上有3张小支持,我都愿意去叫3nt。而双张配合,后果堪忧。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvd Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 说说后面2幅吧,第2幅,N在3家都叫牌后的2h,通常是h3张支持的弱牌,我认为5p左右吧。至于3d后该3h还是x,注意西的x通常是承诺S+c,而同伴很可能d上有费点,sK前景不乐观,S和c上的输墩也不乐观。基于这个x,选择保守点的3h应该更合理吧。3h后,北家持有sAx和cK这样的核心点力和牌型,应该加叫4h了,pass偏保守。 第3幅,为什么在pd3h后跳叫4s?首先,1h和3c后,pd都没有叫s,认为他s少于4张,而d应该是5+,其次,3c后不直接4h,而是3h表示了满贯兴趣,足以4s发动了,pd如果s上没有什么废点,7甚至都有可能。而北的牌我认为是不够2盖1的,就是应叫1s然后在pd2c后3h邀请的牌。 和队友初次配合,出现些失误也是可以理解的。希望大家不要灰心,积极地总结出现的问题,下次就有提高了啥。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 我总认为叫牌问题留给他们自己讨论,但防守和做庄问题,才值得我们去探讨,共性的东西讨论才有意义,拙见。这个不太同意。具体约定叫,留给搭档间讨论。但一般的叫牌原理,大家都可以讨论。对于防守,也有很大部分是同伴间的问题,什么样的信号、首攻,等。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuefeier Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 6副攻H,因为对方无高花配合,想他们可能有一低花套,可能老师的H套会好一点9副无对有,3C应该可以打10副3NT下2,D30,没进手了,有三张时才是安全的都是判断错误,教训深刻,接受批评 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00master Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 说说后面2幅吧,第2幅,N在3家都叫牌后的2h,通常是h3张支持的弱牌,我认为5p左右吧。至于3d后该3h还是x,注意西的x通常是承诺S+c,而同伴很可能d上有费点,sK前景不乐观,S和c上的输墩也不乐观。基于这个x,选择保守点的3h应该更合理吧。3h后,北家持有sAx和cK这样的核心点力和牌型,应该加叫4h了,pass偏保守。 第3幅,为什么在pd3h后跳叫4s?首先,1h和3c后,pd都没有叫s,认为他s少于4张,而d应该是5+,其次,3c后不直接4h,而是3h表示了满贯兴趣,足以4s发动了,pd如果s上没有什么废点,7甚至都有可能。而北的牌我认为是不够2盖1的,就是应叫1s然后在pd2c后3h邀请的牌。 和队友初次配合,出现些失误也是可以理解的。希望大家不要灰心,积极地总结出现的问题,下次就有提高了啥。直接位置1阶争叫保证多少点力呢,8P+甚至可以更弱。所以我赞同5-10p点力直接加叫,11p+才扣叫2♦表示邀请牌力。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 直接位置1阶争叫保证多少点力呢,8P+甚至可以更弱。所以我赞同5-10p点力直接加叫,11p+才扣叫2♦表示邀请牌力。虽然争叫的牌力可以弱于开叫,作为争叫方,对同伴有支持时,还是应该按同伴开叫的方式应叫。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 6副攻H,因为对方无高花配合,想他们可能有一低花套,可能老师的H套会好一点9副无对有,3C应该可以打10副3NT下2,D30,没进手了,有三张时才是安全的都是判断错误,教训深刻,接受批评6副:东明显有H套,只是没有4-4配。还是应该首攻自己最长的套。对方应该有6至7张H(S也是),你有3张,同伴有几张?9副:S的点不好(可能是废点,在没看到南家的牌之前),D套太弱,你还不知道西家是多少牌力。尽管是无对有,也太危险。这种在3阶水平乱撞部分定约的“判断”,多半都是错误的。偶尔会撞对几次,一旦被惩罚,往往都是大分。而且被处罚的机会比撞对的机会大得多。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuefeier Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 嗯,谢谢HeartA的分析 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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