Disclosure of frequent partnerships

[hotShot]

A lot of times, TD's have to decide if a partnership has an agreement or not.

 

To do this it would be very helpful, to ask the database, about the number of boards a pair has played together within the timespan that is coverd by the database.

 

This way it should be possible to see, if a new pickup partnership was formed for this tourney, or if a partnership is playing frequently.

 

If a pair hast played e.g. 0 boards together within the last 4 weeks, i would belive they do not have an agreement, while i would lean much harder on a pair that played 100 boards together within that time.

[sceptic]

I have played with some people over 100 ames and I have no agreements about a lot of things, so not to sure that is a winner, but it may help

[inquiry]

I serious doubt it would be worth the effort to create such a database, to maintain it on line, or to check it. You are searche for a solution to what is basically a non-problem. There are people who have played lots of hands together, but who will have no agreement on some exotic auction that might crop up. There are others who have played few hands together, but who might have a detailed system they both play with others and have explicit agreements. In most cases (99% surely) people will be honest and tell you if they have an agreement or not.

 

If we used you as an example, hotshot, would the 29 hands you played with mink in tournments be enough to suggest you have good agreements and regular parntership? What about the 28 with zbm12? or 26 hands with Jayleen.

 

With jayleen, for example, it looks like you play 1NT forcing (at least, you have held side suit singleton--but you don't alert the 1NT), but your 2/1 is not game force (as you have stopped short of game). Does this mean you have agreements that 1NT is forcing? That 2/1 can stop short of game? I have no idea. 26 hands, were from 3 specific tourneys (two on on aug 20, one on sep 03). Is this a regular partnership? Probably not, but even if it was, how could anyone tell?

 

This seems too expensive in time to program, too expensive in bandwith to check during a tournment (don't directors have enough to do), and the data obtained from such a check will be basically useless to use. (BTW, if you have bridgebrowser, one can already check this information, as I did above... I can also find out who you play most against in tournments, who is helri -- you played 9 boards during the time period I checked). That isn't useful information either.

 

Ben

[hotShot]

As you have proved, there is no need to create a new database, as the information is in the one you have.

 

Implementing an request that counts the number of boards a pair played, will not take long.

 

We can discuss if it is useful.

 

Being a TD online, have no chance to see what has happend.

You do not know the players, you don't even know if they don't answer you because of the lack of English, or the lack of politeness.

 

Than you have to make decisions, which side to believe.

You have to do that at f2f bridge too, but you can look into the players eyes and faces, allowing you to use your full social abilities. You can even ask other players it this happend before.

 

If players tell you they have never played before and if the number of board is 0. I would think they might not have an agreement.

 

If they played 1000 hands, i would think, they might have some sort of inplicit agreement.

 

I don't know how many boards are needed, somewhere one has to draw the line.

But at least you might have a hint.

 

This is better than what you have now, making a unlawfull adjust leaving everybody including yourself very unsatisfied.

[inquiry]

As you have proved, there is no need to create a new database, as the information is in the one you have.

While the information is in the one I have, it

 

1) Cost a month fee to access

2) Is not current (I ahve hands only through late november now)

3) Doesn't link multiple Id's.... to the same person...

 

This last one could be important. What if I had 20 id's (i have two, btw). With any one of these 20 id's I might have played with you and we might have played 100 hands with each of my 20 id's. That would be 2000 hands, but it would like we only played 100. It really is a non-problem.... I can't see how the info will help.

 

Ben

[hotShot]

I am sugggesting to give a clue to the clueless, not finding the philosophers stone.

 

A modified query to the myhands database would do well enough.

All you need is the number of boards linked to 2 ID's.

 

No extra monthly costs, since the myhands database is allready there. and it is current!

 

Well using a lot of ID's, is of cause a problem.

 

I would not care, if i'm fooled by players that create a new ID each time they log on.

But this behaviour might indicate the intention to cheat.

Uday once pointed out, that a banned player cannot log in, even with a new ID.

So if one cared, and with a little more time, one could implement some sort of alarm is someone is having more than xy ID's.