Dale57 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 South deals. N/S pass throughout.[hv=pc=n&w=sak4haj87dak94ct2&e=sq63hkq6dq87cak86]266|100[/hv]What SAYC auction gets to 6NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 1D-3NT6NT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 South deals. N/S pass throughout.[hv=pc=n&w=sak4haj87dak94ct2&e=sq63hkq6dq87cak86]266|100[/hv]What SAYC auction gets to 6NT?A harder question is: What auction, in any system, does not get to 6NT? At some point, West will show he has a balanced hand of about 19 HCP, and East, if on form, will manage to correctly add 16 to that. Luckily, he can afford to be within one or two of the correct answer and still get the decision right - which can only add to the odds of reaching 6NT. Alternatively, East will show he has a balanced hand of about 16 points, and it is West who has to whip out his abacus (or remove his shoes and socks, and do the counting the old-fashioned way). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 A harder question is: What auction, in any system, does not get to 6NT? At some point, West will show he has a balanced hand of about 19 HCP, and East, if on form, will manage to correctly add 16 to that. Luckily, he can afford to be within one or two of the correct answer and still get the decision right - which can only add to the odds of reaching 6NT. Alternatively, East will show he has a balanced hand of about 16 points, and it is West who has to whip out his abacus (or remove his shoes and socks, and do the counting the old-fashioned way).This is about right, I don't know SAYC well, but any of the following do the job: 2N-5N-6N1♦-2♣-3N(I assume this is 18-19 bal in SAYC)-6N1♦-3N(not sure if 13-15 or bigger in SAYC)-4N-6N if 13-151♦-3N(not sure if 13-15 or bigger in SAYC)-6N if bigger but less than 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale57 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 1D-3NT6NTBBO's interactive SAYC convention card says that 3NT shows 13-15. This would have gotten us to 6 despite undervaluing East's hand. The hands are close to 7NT but no one would be tempted after 1♦ 3NT. If East were stronger- ♣AKQx, then what auction? Thanks for your reply. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale57 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 This is about right, I don't know SAYC well, but any of the following do the job: 2N-5N-6N1♦-2♣-3N(I assume this is 18-19 bal in SAYC)-6N1♦-3N(not sure if 13-15 or bigger in SAYC)-4N-6N if 13-151♦-3N(not sure if 13-15 or bigger in SAYC)-6N if bigger but less than 18 BBO's interactive SAYC convention card seems to refute these auctions.2N Only if you upgrade West.1♦-2♣-3N This was the actual auction. As East, I took 3N to show a sound but minimum opener, leaving us a bit short of 6N. BBO SAYC describes 3N as "signoff".1♦-3N 13-15 Undervaluing the East hand works here. But what bid if East is stronger- ♣AKQx? Thank you for your reply. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale57 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 A harder question is: What auction, in any system, does not get to 6NT? At some point, West will show he has a balanced hand of about 19 HCP, and East, if on form, will manage to correctly add 16 to that. Luckily, he can afford to be within one or two of the correct answer and still get the decision right - which can only add to the odds of reaching 6NT. Alternatively, East will show he has a balanced hand of about 16 points, and it is West who has to whip out his abacus (or remove his shoes and socks, and do the counting the old-fashioned way). Then let me ask "How does West show a balanced 19 after 1♦-2♣?" and "How does East show a balanced 16 after partner opens 1♦?" Thank you for your sarcasm. B-) "He was so stupid, he couldn't count to 21 unless he were naked." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 BBO's interactive SAYC convention card seems to refute these auctions.2N Only if you upgrade West.1♦-2♣-3N This was the actual auction. As East, I took 3N to show a sound but minimum opener, leaving us a bit short of 6N. BBO SAYC describes 3N as "signoff".1♦-3N 13-15 Undervaluing the East hand works here. But what bid if East is stronger- ♣AKQx? Thank you for your reply. :)I would upgrade this hand anyway, it's a whale of a 19, put it opposite say xx, Q10xx, Qxxx, xxx for example and it will make 4♥ most of the time unlike most 19s and a lot of 20s. If 3N means sound minimum, there must be a bid for a balanced 18-19, whether it's 2N, 3N or 4N you show it and partner bids the slam. I'm not averse to downgrading E's 16 as the 2 Qxx suits and flat shape are not good, but if I have 18, I bid 2♣ and when partner shows me 18-19 I bid 5N (bid 6 or 7). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 BBO's interactive SAYC convention card says that 3NT shows 13-15. Then BBO's convention card is wrong. Winston's auction is correct although you could also bid1♦-2♣3NT-6NT.See for example the acbl sayc booklet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 South deals. N/S pass throughout.[hv=pc=n&w=sak4haj87dak94ct2&e=sq63hkq6dq87cak86]266|100[/hv]What SAYC auction gets to 6NT? 1D - 2C ( should promise a rebid in SAYC )2H - 3NT ( 15-17 )6NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale57 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 1D - 2C ( should promise a rebid in SAYC )2H - 3NT ( 15-17 )6NT Thank you, especially for the link! I also thought that 2H was a better rebid by West based on East's guarantee of a rebid, but "blame partner" is the easy way out. :P Looking at the ACBL pdf, it seems that the "proper" sequence is 1♦-3N (16-17)-6N (19 + 16/17 = 35/36) Clean, defined, and no improvising.Thank you very much! :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 I might even end up in 7NT depending on a ♦ 3-3 split or a minor suit squeeze. There's no way to stay below 6NT imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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