Which conventions on the opponents CCs...

[Phil]

Flannery is my favorite, because it often provides a roadmap to the defense gives no information to the defense because most of the time responder is playing the hand.

 

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[Phil]

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. I'll continue to score up consistently good-to-great results against it.

 

I use Suction over strong clubs and a 2♣ opening too.

 

Frankly I love it when the pairs we play it against are in completely darkness on whether or not doubles are takeout or penalty over pass or correct bids, and trying to flounder without a cuebid available.

 

And I've never gone for a phone number using it.

[jeffford76]

Do the cards stand for the same suits if they are discarded slowly?

 

Actually it's best to play revolving. A fast discard means the suit below it would normally call for, normal is the suit, and slow is the suit above.

[Zelandakh]

Or asking the meaning of your 1♦ opener. Is that bulls eye on your forehead a tattoo or a birthmark?

You lost me. What is wrong with finding out if the opponents play 1♦ as 3+, 4+ or 5+ and whether it can include balanced hands or not, providing you do not wait until you have a fistful of diamonds in hand before doing it?

[Free]

Do the cards stand for the same suits if they are discarded slowly?

I looked it up, especially for you :P

 

2-3-4 preference for other suit in same color (♥2 asks ♦)

5-6-7 encouraging for the discarded suit (♥6 asks ♥)

8-9-T preference for other suit of same rank (♥8 asks ♠)

 

The best part of this method is when you play for example a ♠ and they discard ♣2 asking for ... yes indeed, ♠! :rolleyes:

 

Oh, and I forgot that revan also includes the following signals when partner leads a suit:

small = encouraging

high even = discouraging, asking the remaining highest suit

high odd = discouraging, asking the remaining lowest suit

(not strictly ofcourse)

[fromageGB]

Suction seems at least playable over 1NT, but I sometimes see people using it over strong 1♣, which means advancer cannot bounce the overcall because they have no idea what overcaller has.

 

Not true. You bid to your highest level of safety given the suction bidder's possible hands.

Also you are perhaps overlooking the fact that the suction bidder does not just bid 1♦ but jumps to 2♦ or 3♦, to the extent of reasonable safety afforded by his hand. Advancer can pass, knowing that the initial bid has done it's job of taking away some of the opponents' useful space.

 

Like Phil, I don't recall excessive poor scores using it over a strong club or an unspecified strong 2♣/♦, but I do recall many times that the opponents have not had the room to end up in the right contract. And, as a matchpoint person, I would be delighted by a big negative for every 9 gains.

[aguahombre]

Also you are perhaps overlooking the fact that the suction bidder does not just bid 1♦ but jumps to 2♦ or 3♦, to the extent of reasonable safety afforded by his hand. Advancer can pass, knowing that the initial bid has done it's job of taking away some of the opponents' useful space.

With CRASH, Suction, or similar nebulous suit methods I believe Advancer passing loses a lot, even though it might be safe at the time. Advancing to the comfort level for the "best of the worst" with pass/correct continuations is much more effective.

[fromageGB]

I agree that advancer should advance if he can, but even so, it is better for overcaller to bid as high as his hand warrants.

[GreenMan]

My way of thinking tends toward preferring advancer to bounce the pre-empt as high as possible, and this is facilitated by overcaller showing at least one actual suit. I can see the argument the other way. Thanks for the discussion. :)