benlessard Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sakj86hk3dakq53c5&n=s74hq862dj74ca963&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp1np3dp3np4dp4sppp]266|200[/hv]MPDo you agree with the bidding ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 This is very difficult because of the form of scoring. From North's perspective, South would have to have about the exact hand he actually holds for 6♦ to be a reasonable spot. Playing in 5♦ is likely to be a disaster. But while slam in spades is unlikely, game in spades should score as well or better than game in diamonds. So 4♠ at matchpoints is not unreasonable. At IMPs, playing in 5♦ should be OK, so it makes sense to show the diamond fit and the club ace by bidding 5♣. Here that will lead to 6♦, which is a very reasonable contract. Still, 6♦ is not the greatest contract in the world, and I would not be shocked if it failed. Bottom line - at matchpoints, the bidding shown in the OP is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 No, I don't agree with the bidding. Imo, responder should mark time over the 3♦ call with a quiet 3♠. I don't like 3N since unless opener can rebid 3N over 3♠, we are almost certainly looking at having to run 8 tricks after we stop whichever suit they lead (and indeed it is possible that they can run 5 hearts on the go). I understand 3N and I appreciate that my view is unlikely to be unanimous, but I generally prefer to mark time on these auctions unless I am very short in spades, or have significant diamond length. I would be far more inclined to bid 3N with xx Q10xx Jxx A108x as examples, where I am far more sanguine about our prospects of playing notrump successfully should partner pass. Once partner pulls 3N to 4♦, I think we owe him a 5♣ call (Clearly a cue in support of diamonds)rather than signing off in spades, but once again I appreciate this won't be unanimous. It's not as if slam is terrific, and the mp condition argues in favour of trying for 620/600 or 650/620. Put another way: I disagree with both late actions by South but I wouldn't describe either as egregious errors. I do think that the 3N call was a worse transgression than 4♠, altho at imps I would be far more critical of 4♠ than I am at mps. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I agree w/Mikeh ... Responder should rebid 3S = minimum hand with as few as 2 cards ♠ .A jump to 4S by Responder would show a limit raise with 3 cards -- a hand that would have jumped to 3S over a minimum rebid of say 2D by Opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 At MP I'm just going to Hammon's Law it. Pass 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 3NT is a poor bid. I agree with mikeh that 3S is the bid to make. 3NT for me looks something like xx QJTx xxx KJTx.Anyway to answer the question - playing with a real Bridge player, I would pass 3NT. Over 3S - 4D North should cue 5C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I agree with 3NT, someone has to bid it and responder doesn't even know yet that pd has 5-5. I would be ok with 3♠ if it was Hx but definetely not with xx. I would now bid 5♣ over 4♦ at IMPs but at MP it is tuff, i would probably have the same auction in OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 I agree with 3NT, someone has to bid it and responder doesn't even know yet that pd has 5-5. Can't that someone be opener? With 5422 he'll always bid 3NT after 3♠. With 5431 and a singleton honour he'll usually bid 3NT. With 5431 and a small singleton, he'll probably stay out of 3NT, but we probably didn't belong there anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 3nt should be much more packed in the unbid suits imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 I agree with 3NT, someone has to bid it and responder doesn't even know yet that pd has 5-5. I would be ok with 3♠ if it was Hx but definetely not with xx. I would now bid 5♣ over 4♦ at IMPs but at MP it is tuff, i would probably have the same auction in OP I'm definitely in the 3NT is completely terminal camp. Responder can give preference to 3♠ even with one spade and 3 diamonds. And opener then bids 3NT with any non-shapely game force. Of course it would be better to play conventional continuations over 3♦: 3♥ = various, but usually no strong preference3♠ = transfer to 3NT (various)3NT = 5+ hearts NF4♣ = agrees spades But it's probably not really worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted June 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 This hand was asked to me and i wasnt sure.. IMO artificial methods are great after a J-shift or reverse however if you play natural I think 3NT is normal, I hate bidding 3S with a minimum, 1 pts in partner suits and no ruffing power. Im pretty sure I would have passed 3Nt, but if my pd bid 4D I thought that 4S was ok (at MP). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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