Hanoi5 Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 [hv=pc=n&w=s9hktdkj986532cqj]133|100[/hv] You're dealer, w/r. Butler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 One Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rmnka447 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 The hand is not quite an opener unless you blindly follow the rule of 20. The issues are whether to preempt and, if so, what level of preemption to choose. I just hate preempting at the 4 level if they are likely to have the majors. It seems like someone always Dbls and they end up playing 4 of a major. So it comes down to either bidding 3 or 5. NV, i'm going to be aggressive in making them guess what to do! 5 ♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 very reasonable 3d bid this hand will probably play wellin diamonds or nt. would open 4d but have enough junkon the side to want to keep 3n in the picture. Too hard toever make future decisions properly after a 1d opening ifthe bidding becomes competitive our almost zero defensehand will make decisions made by partner invariably wrong. 3d has one additional benefit if p bids 3h or 4c we can raiseif we open 1d we will spend our entire auction trying to saydiamonds diamonds and please slow down p i have garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aguahombre Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 The hand is not quite an opener unless you blindly follow the rule of 20. The rule I like to blindly follow is the rule of 2. In first or second chair my preempts are designed to stick it to two people, not 3. I believe that QJ of clubs will throw a monkey wrench into CHO's evaluation of the combined ODR. At least, if I open 1D and rebid them (say 2D, and 3D) partner might expect a little something useful outside for 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 The hand is not quite an opener unless you blindly follow the rule of 20. The issues are whether to preempt and, if so, what level of preemption to choose. I just hate preempting at the 4 level if they are likely to have the majors. It seems like someone always Dbls and they end up playing 4 of a major. My feeling is quite the opposite. I love pre-empting at the 4 level if they might have the majors. It seems like someone has to double on a not quite shape suitable hand, and they end up having to guess which major to play - and at what level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 Am I allowed to open 3NT to show a good 4m preempt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 Am I allowed to open 3NT to show a good 4m preempt? do you have a good 4m pre-empt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 i'd open 1. pass would be ok if you played a particularly solid opening style. as for pre-empting at the 4 or 5 level, you'll often go for 500 against 4M-1 with so poor offence to defence. 4 is slightly better because partner might not have a hand to raise so you'll escape having to play in a daft contract and because they'll often guess wrong when it comes to choosing a major, unlike at the 5 level where they normally just take the money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 do you have a good 4m pre-empt? For Zels standards this is closer to a semiforcing then to a preempt. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 no way am I opening this on the 1 level! 4♦ for me. we're w/r! Yea too bad for that ♣QJ but it still seems like my hand is closer to a 4♦ opening than 1♦ then 2♦ (then 3♦ then...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 For Zels standards this is closer to a semiforcing then to a preempt. :)Half a playing trick short. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 The hand is not quite an opener unless you blindly follow the rule of 20. The issues are whether to preempt and, if so, what level of preemption to choose. I just hate preempting at the 4 level if they are likely to have the majors. It seems like someone always Dbls and they end up playing 4 of a major. So it comes down to either bidding 3 or 5. NV, i'm going to be aggressive in making them guess what to do! 5 ♦Agree, 4m is often just a slow transfer to 4M. Also 3m may sometimes be better than 4m because it gives them an extra way to go wrong (stop in 3 when game is there). Preempts are all about hoping they get it wrong. Put me down for 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 I hate hate hate opening this hand 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 Fore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 [hv=pc=n&w=s9hktdkj986532cqj]133|100|You're dealer, w/r. Butler[/hv]. IMO 1♦ = 10, 3♦ = 9 (Reese might approve), 5♦ = 8, 4♦ = 7, 2♦ = 5. Other = 2. No strong feelings. Anything might work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 1♦ here too. Style wise my pard will never play me for this (outside defence/stoppers) if I bid anything else but will play me for it when I keep repeating the suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cargobeep Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 I like 1♦ with the quality spot cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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