Winstonm Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 All vulnerable at imps. You hold: 4, 83, AK84, AKQ964. The auction is: W You E Pard2S* ? *weak 2-bid 6-11 For consideration: This hand was given to a panel of 6 experts who had about 16 national championships to their credit as well as 2 world championships (Mildred Breed). Their answers: 3 chose 3S as a stopper ask.3 chose 3C All said they would never double under any circumstance. In fact, 4 of the six said they would rather pass than double! For the record, my bid is 3C, a distinct underbid, but I've found that conservative action wins in pressured auctions more than pushing to a minus score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Bid 3 Spades? asking for spade stopper, implying a running suit (no guarantee on this hand) hoping P can bid 3NT & gamble out the heart suit. 3 clubs just seems like such an underbid, and hand is wrong shape for Dbl of 2S. You don't need much from partner to make 3NT and P might not be able to bid over 3Clubs (I play 4-clubs as leaping michael's) when you can bring in 9 tricks (xxx or Jx, or even J of clubs from P likely ensures 6 club tricks + 2 diamond tricks) As usual, probably wrong again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 3♠ is minor 2 suiter (or so I though on standard leaping michael's ovecalls). 3♣ to me is 16+, just what I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 3S. I think it is not unreasonable to jump to 5C here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 i'd double :angry: .... if pard bid 2nt (leb), i'd bid 4♣... if he bid 3♥, i'd bid 4♣... but if he bid 3♦ i'd start cue bidding... this hand is strong enough to double and bid, and double first seems to give more options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 3♠ is a stopper ask for me. It doesn't come up enough so when I'm dealt a likely 8 tricks, I'll break it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 i'd double :) .... if pard bid 2nt (leb), i'd bid 4♣... if he bid 3♥, i'd bid 4♣... but if he bid 3♦ i'd start cue bidding... this hand is strong enough to double and bid, and double first seems to give more options The only problem is that if pd leaps to 4H then you will have a headache:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 3S is very nice if asks for stopper, need to make sure my partners play this one from now on. 2h... 3h asks for H stopper, I like it. Otherwise will bid 3clubs not x here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 I also play 3S as stopper ask here. If it's not available then I would bid 3C, a serious underbid with a good chance for 8 top tricks. Fluffy, if 3C shows 16+ points, then how do you deal with lesser hands? Do you use 2NT as a relay here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 3♣ kenneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 It depends on the nature of the match. If we are losing, I would bid 3S to gamble 3N. Otherwise, I would overcall 3C. dbl is not my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 3S looking for a S stopper seems right to me. Fluffy, I play Leaping Michaels and have never played 3S for the minors here. Our responses would be:X t/o3C/D/H nat3N to play4C/D LM4H nat4S huge 3 suiter, unwilling to play in 2SX4N minors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 The only problem is that if pd leaps to 4H then you will have a headache:) true :) i wonder what they do if partner has a spade stopper and bids 3nt over 3s? i'd like to see a simulation on this heheh... to see:1) how often 3nt is down on a heart lead, and2) how often 6d (or 6c) makes when 3nt makes also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 My suggestion of a 3 spade bid had a triple purpose. 1) trying to communicate a certain type of hand to partner, 2) trying to first get us to a reasonable game contract (what are the implications regarding the spade suit and the hand should my lho pass over 3S versus X or 4S?), 3) should lho bid 4S over 3S and partner passes, would 4NT by me now be a reasonable description of my hand? and, if it's right, help get us to that 6 of minor contract afterall? Or help the partnership to better decide how to handle further competition from the opps? My opps seem to enjoy making things difficulty; they never shut up when I want them to!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 I also play 3S as stopper ask here. If it's not available then I would bid 3C, a serious underbid with a good chance for 8 top tricks. Fluffy, if 3C shows 16+ points, then how do you deal with lesser hands? Do you use 2NT as a relay here? OK I lie a bit, 16+ menas the equivalent strnght to 16 balanced, so 14 and a good 6 card suit oes the trick, with less just pass, partner will reopen with any hand that can make game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firechief Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 I'd bid 3s asking for a stopper. If you told me ahead of time partner had a spade stopper, I would certainly want to play 3nt, so I'll try to get there. Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 All vulnerable at imps. You hold: 4, 83, AK84, AKQ964. The auction is: W You E Pard2S* ? *weak 2-bid 6-11 For consideration: This hand was given to a panel of 6 experts who had about 16 national championships to their credit as well as 2 world championships (Mildred Breed). Their answers: 3 chose 3S as a stopper ask.3 chose 3C All said they would never double under any circumstance. In fact, 4 of the six said they would rather pass than double! For the record, my bid is 3C, a distinct underbid, but I've found that conservative action wins in pressured auctions more than pushing to a minus score. 3C is the worst among these options in my opinion. Do you hope your partner would bid 3NT with SQxxx HAxx Dxxx Cxxx here? Actually you really don't mind 4H over the double because you can pull to 5C safely. This is actually not a difficult problem to me at all because double really can't do you any harm. 3S is an overbid because even if partner holds a stopper, you may not be able to cash your clubs or you opps may cash 5 or 6 hearts. So a take-out double is really the best bid for this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 I bid 3♣ and just hope it works out. I like Pavlicek's simple methods for cue bids - Michaels at 2- & 4-level, asking for a stop at the 3-level. p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanbari Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 3C, i may miss game, but i would gain if we reach 6d/6c. due to my singleton spade, 3C doesn't seem to be passed out. shan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 All vulnerable at imps. You hold: 4, 83, AK84, AKQ964. The auction is: W You E Pard2S* ? *weak 2-bid 6-11 For consideration: This hand was given to a panel of 6 experts who had about 16 national championships to their credit as well as 2 world championships (Mildred Breed). Their answers: 3 chose 3S as a stopper ask.3 chose 3C All said they would never double under any circumstance. In fact, 4 of the six said they would rather pass than double! For the record, my bid is 3C, a distinct underbid, but I've found that conservative action wins in pressured auctions more than pushing to a minus score. 3C is the worst among these options in my opinion. Do you hope your partner would bid 3NT with SQxxx HAxx Dxxx Cxxx here? Actually you really don't mind 4H over the double because you can pull to 5C safely. This is actually not a difficult problem to me at all because double really can't do you any harm. 3S is an overbid because even if partner holds a stopper, you may not be able to cash your clubs or you opps may cash 5 or 6 hearts. So a take-out double is really the best bid for this hand. If you didn't sound like you are so sure that you are right, I'd say you were way off. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I'd bid 3♣, F1 and natural, just what I have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 zhu consider this: This hand was given to a panel of 6 experts who had about 16 national championships to their credit as well as 2 world championships (Mildred Breed). All said they would never double under any circumstance. In fact, 4 of the six said they would rather pass than double! Zhu: "So a take-out double is really the best bid for this hand. " I admire your "pluck", but you are bucking about 75,000 master points with your position. WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 This hand should not be evaluated in hcp but in losers (4 losers) or if you prefer in playing tricks (8 playing tricks). It has strong slam potential, and is better suited to play in a suit (no slow tricks, good controls). To show a 4-loser hand I will double then show my suit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In case the cuebid is not used as Michaels, then, holding a 3-loser hand (stronger), I'd cuebid and then show my suit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My main worry with the given hand is to keep the bidding open for both 3NT AND 5/6m investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I'd bid 3♣, F1 and natural, just what I have... Free, your 3 level overcall are F1? Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 zhu consider this: This hand was given to a panel of 6 experts who had about 16 national championships to their credit as well as 2 world championships (Mildred Breed). All said they would never double under any circumstance. In fact, 4 of the six said they would rather pass than double! Zhu: "So a take-out double is really the best bid for this hand. " I admire your "pluck", but you are bucking about 75,000 master points with your position. WinstonM you are not talking about bridge. In front of bridge logic, any amount of master points are nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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