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All vulnerable at imps. You hold: 4, 83, AK84, AKQ964. The auction is:

 

W You E Pard

2S* ?

 

*weak 2-bid 6-11

 

 

For consideration: This hand was given to a panel of 6 experts who had about 16 national championships to their credit as well as 2 world championships (Mildred Breed). Their answers:

 

3 chose 3S as a stopper ask.

3 chose 3C

 

All said they would never double under any circumstance. In fact, 4 of the six said they would rather pass than double! For the record, my bid is 3C, a distinct underbid, but I've found that conservative action wins in pressured auctions more than pushing to a minus score.

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Bid 3 Spades? asking for spade stopper, implying a running suit (no guarantee on this hand) hoping P can bid 3NT & gamble out the heart suit.

3 clubs just seems like such an underbid, and hand is wrong shape for Dbl of 2S. You don't need much from partner to make 3NT and P might not be able to bid over 3Clubs (I play 4-clubs as leaping michael's) when you can bring in 9 tricks (xxx or Jx, or even J of clubs from P likely ensures 6 club tricks + 2 diamond tricks) As usual, probably wrong again...

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i'd double :) .... if pard bid 2nt (leb), i'd bid 4... if he bid 3, i'd bid 4... but if he bid 3 i'd start cue bidding... this hand is strong enough to double and bid, and double first seems to give more options

The only problem is that if pd leaps to 4H then you will have a headache:)

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I also play 3S as stopper ask here. If it's not available then I would bid 3C, a serious underbid with a good chance for 8 top tricks.

 

Fluffy, if 3C shows 16+ points, then how do you deal with lesser hands? Do you use 2NT as a relay here?

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3S looking for a S stopper seems right to me. Fluffy, I play Leaping Michaels and have never played 3S for the minors here. Our responses would be:

X t/o

3C/D/H nat

3N to play

4C/D LM

4H nat

4S huge 3 suiter, unwilling to play in 2SX

4N minors

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The only problem is that if pd leaps to 4H then you will have a headache:)

true :)

 

i wonder what they do if partner has a spade stopper and bids 3nt over 3s? i'd like to see a simulation on this heheh... to see:

1) how often 3nt is down on a heart lead, and

2) how often 6d (or 6c) makes when 3nt makes also

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My suggestion of a 3 spade bid had a triple purpose. 1) trying to communicate a certain type of hand to partner, 2) trying to first get us to a reasonable game contract (what are the implications regarding the spade suit and the hand should my lho pass over 3S versus X or 4S?), 3) should lho bid 4S over 3S and partner passes, would 4NT by me now be a reasonable description of my hand? and, if it's right, help get us to that 6 of minor contract afterall? Or help the partnership to better decide how to handle further competition from the opps? My opps seem to enjoy making things difficulty; they never shut up when I want them to!!!!
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I also play 3S as stopper ask here. If it's not available then I would bid 3C, a serious underbid with a good chance for 8 top tricks.

 

Fluffy, if 3C shows 16+ points, then how do you deal with lesser hands? Do you use 2NT as a relay here?

OK I lie a bit, 16+ menas the equivalent strnght to 16 balanced, so 14 and a good 6 card suit oes the trick, with less just pass, partner will reopen with any hand that can make game.

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All vulnerable at imps. You hold: 4, 83, AK84, AKQ964. The auction is:

 

W You E Pard

2S* ?

 

*weak 2-bid 6-11

 

 

For consideration: This hand was given to a panel of 6 experts who had about 16 national championships to their credit as well as 2 world championships (Mildred Breed). Their answers:

 

3 chose 3S as a stopper ask.

3 chose 3C

 

All said they would never double under any circumstance. In fact, 4 of the six said they would rather pass than double! For the record, my bid is 3C, a distinct underbid, but I've found that conservative action wins in pressured auctions more than pushing to a minus score.

3C is the worst among these options in my opinion. Do you hope your partner would bid 3NT with SQxxx HAxx Dxxx Cxxx here? Actually you really don't mind 4H over the double because you can pull to 5C safely. This is actually not a difficult problem to me at all because double really can't do you any harm. 3S is an overbid because even if partner holds a stopper, you may not be able to cash your clubs or you opps may cash 5 or 6 hearts. So a take-out double is really the best bid for this hand.

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All vulnerable at imps.  You hold: 4, 83, AK84, AKQ964.  The auction is:

 

W            You        E      Pard

2S*            ?

 

*weak 2-bid 6-11

 

 

For consideration: This hand was given to a panel of 6 experts who had about 16 national championships to their credit as well as 2 world championships (Mildred Breed).  Their answers:

 

3 chose 3S as a stopper ask.

3 chose 3C

 

All said they would never double under any circumstance.  In fact, 4 of the six said they would rather pass than double!  For the record, my bid is 3C, a distinct underbid, but I've found that conservative action wins in pressured auctions more than pushing to a minus score.

3C is the worst among these options in my opinion. Do you hope your partner would bid 3NT with SQxxx HAxx Dxxx Cxxx here? Actually you really don't mind 4H over the double because you can pull to 5C safely. This is actually not a difficult problem to me at all because double really can't do you any harm. 3S is an overbid because even if partner holds a stopper, you may not be able to cash your clubs or you opps may cash 5 or 6 hearts. So a take-out double is really the best bid for this hand.

If you didn't sound like you are so sure that you are right, I'd say you were way off. ;)

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zhu consider this:

 

This hand was given to a panel of 6 experts who had about 16 national championships to their credit as well as 2 world championships (Mildred Breed). All said they would never double under any circumstance. In fact, 4 of the six said they would rather pass than double!

 

Zhu: "So a take-out double is really the best bid for this hand. "

 

I admire your "pluck", but you are bucking about 75,000 master points with your position. WinstonM

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This hand should not be evaluated in hcp but in losers (4 losers) or if you prefer in playing tricks (8 playing tricks).

 

It has strong slam potential, and is better suited to play in a suit (no slow tricks, good controls).

 

To show a 4-loser hand I will double then show my suit.

 

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In case the cuebid is not used as Michaels, then, holding a 3-loser hand (stronger), I'd cuebid and then show my suit.

 

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My main worry with the given hand is to keep the bidding open for both 3NT AND 5/6m investigation.

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zhu consider this:

 

This hand was given to a panel of 6 experts who had about 16 national championships to their credit as well as 2 world championships (Mildred Breed). All said they would never double under any circumstance. In fact, 4 of the six said they would rather pass than double!

 

Zhu: "So a take-out double is really the best bid for this hand. "

 

I admire your "pluck", but you are bucking about 75,000 master points with your position. WinstonM

you are not talking about bridge. In front of bridge logic, any amount of master points are nothing.

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