myfish Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 [hv=s=s964hakjdkq972cj8]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] RHO is the dealer and bid 1♠and now it is your turn to bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 pass, even white/red... 2D is suicide. xxx of spades is a big warning sign as is a bad 5 card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 pass, even white/red... 2D is suicide. xxx of spades is a big warning sign as is a bad 5 card suit. I agree 100% with this. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Pass. Mediocre 5 card suit and good defense. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 no shortness ontheir suit, no doubleno 6 card suit to overcall at 2 level, no overcall.So pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Reverse my black suits and I take a call. Otherwise pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 2D could be dangerous, but I will bid anyway, unless red to white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 PASS:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 I think this is lot closer than most of you think, especially playing against a pair who opens light and responds on nothing. If you pass you are pretty much giving up on game unless partner can overcall - he could have a balanced 12 count, for example, with your side having a totally normal 3NT and you are never going to get there is you pass. I would probably pass myself, but I do not have any strong convictions that it is right. 2D dangerous for sure, but pass is not even close to a "safe" call either. It would not surprise me at all if simulation showed the DBL was the winning call. In fact, now that I think about it, I kind of like it. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 I agree that if you pass you might get stolen from, but it feels like its more dangerous to bid 2D than to pass. Although X is interesting, I doubt i would think of it at the table but if you have a 4H game or 3N game you will probably find it with X. The downside is pard bidding clubs of course. I actually like X too now that I think about it, maybe the italians know what theyre doing with off shape Xs :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Agree with your characterization of DBL as a bid I might not think of at the table and without a doubt this call is not "safe" either. To me this is pretty much a pure judgment call, and I would like to hear the views of some very experienced and successful players (I mean people who have seen a lot more hands than I have). Jlall, I am willing to bet that your buddy Hamman would not pass. You feel like asking him? Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 I suspect on many of the hands where you have a game, partner will be able to bid something (especialy if he prebalances in a 1♠ 2♠ auction) , or you will be able to bid knowing that you likely have a fit. I am not very experienced but what I have noticed is that when I try bids on hands like this we get into trouble, but when the opponents do they find their partner with a perfect fitting hand. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 i called ZIA and asked what he tought about this and he said PASS whitout hasitasjon.when i asked why he said: when its a close call , and u are wondering if u should dbl-bid or pass, you should look at the opps suit.... and if u have 3 small pass is best. if u have 1 or 4(whit and honnør)u should dbl/bid.(and sometimes whit 2). sounds like great advise to me:) kenneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 pass, even white/red... 2D is suicide. xxx of spades is a big warning sign as is a bad 5 card suit. cannot agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 sure fred i'll ask him...from what i know about him i would bet he will pass though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Pass by rule I don't overcall with xxx in their suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 sure fred i'll ask him...from what i know about him i would bet he will pass though OK Justin - we have a bet! How about the loser buys the winner a beer at the next Nationals (presuming it is legal for you to drink in the state of Pennsylvania). Suggest you tell him none vul when you ask the question, but let me know if you don't think that is fair. I just noticed that the vul was not specified in the problem, but I thought it was none vul when I made my assertion about Uncle Bob. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Pass by rule I don't overcall with xxx in their suit. That's a pretty strong rule, Luis. Wouldn't you overcall 2D with: xxxxxAKQJxxAx Of course I agree with you (and Zia) that xxx in opps suit is a strong reason to be conservative in overcalling situations, but making it a "rule" to never overcall on such hand is going too far in my opinion. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 sure fred i'll ask him...from what i know about him i would bet he will pass though I know Bob overcalled 2D on: AKQxAxxxxAxxx over 1S during the Orlando Nationals (he told me an amusing story about this hand which is why I know). Of course there is a world of difference between AKQ and xxx, but I am sure that most of you (and maybe me too!) would claim that they would "never" overcall at the 2-level on Axxxx, regardless of the rest of the hand. I am not even remotely surprised that Zia passed - that's his style, but I think there are equally great players out there who would bid 2D or DBL. Mind you there are few players out there who are equally great to Zia to begin with :) Thanks for calling him and reporting his views, Helium. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 ok will tell him its white/white...and legal drinking age is 21...too bad im not canadian eh? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Well Fred... I owe you a beer ;) Bob said its a brutal problem and that he would X. He said against Roth/Stone he would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Perhaps I'm playing too much MP, but I'd bid 2♦... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 This thread will help me explaning the 2 level overcall to some friends in israel. sadly here most teacher teach an overcall at the 2 level is 10-15 hcp, whith 16 you should double, and as those friends are aggresive they streatch it up abit and last week iv seen i 5 card 6 hcp 2c overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I think that passing when one has opening values often backfires, and is at least as dangerous than marginal 2-level overcalls. The point is, the old motto that "with a good hand and unclear bid, do not rush, you'll be able to show your strength later" often does not hold in modern bidding, when people open and respond on nothing: either the opponents raise the bidding (say using a forcing NT), or, say, bidding comes back to you in the balancing seat, and when you bid your pard does not know whether you are balancing with a full opening or with a marginal hand (result = missed games our side or pard fails to double their partscore). Basically, once you passed once, it is often VERY hard to convince pard that you reallly have a good hand, so, with values, much better stretch to show them at the first round. -- I definitely rule pass out, and the decision ranges netween 2D and double.Both are dangerous, but so is passing, especially if opps are playing 1NT forcing and are light bidders. I think that at White I might bid a marginal 2D, whilst at Red I would double, but I sure understand others who'd rather double than bid diamonds at white too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 [hv=s=s964hakjdkq972cj8]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] RHO is the dealer and bid 1♠and now it is your turn to bid. well I am assuming that RHO was dealer :rolleyes: I will overcall 2♦ HOWEVER if LHO was dealer and it was P P 1♠ THEN I am PASSING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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