DrTodd13 Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 1♣ by RHO showing 9-13, 4+♥, 0+♣1♦ by LHO showing artificial, less than invitational hand4♥ by RHO. Your lead from: [hv=s=sxxxxhjtdaqxxcjxx]133|100|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 A of D RHO has 9-13 HCP and very long hearts?LHO has a weak hand?Partner cannot overcall 1D or X for lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 i'd lead ♦A also, if only to get a look at dummy and get a signal from partner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 I am usually conservative on leading (from) Ace. HJ would be my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 I'd ask the LHO for a better definition of waht his bid meant. (or ask RHO what LHOs bid meant to him). Worst lead is underleading the A♦.Leading an unsupported Ace doesn't sound like a good lead to me. I can't tell what the opps estimated HCP holding is. Around 22? We have 18? Pard has close to 10 HCP, didnt overcall. Perhaps he has Clubs or Diiamonds, but not enough. I'd lead a low ♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Difficult to make a reasonable decision without understanding our defensive methods over 1♣. For example what would double show? Clubs? A balanced hand with values? Takeout of Hearts? I need a damn good reason to lead (or underlead) an Ace.A Club also seems problematic... Hate to find partner with Qxx or Qx. A Heart could be good. Might kill a ruff in dummy.Spades are somewhat tempting, however, I suspect that partner would have shown a decent Spade suit. Mark me down for a Heart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Strange auction; sounds like RHO has a whole of of hearts and a max. Pard can't come in over 1♦. RHO also doesn't have a good side suit; I don't know moscito or the other transfer openings but it'd be nice to know what 2♥ and 3♥ rebids mean. A ♦ is the last card I'd lead. A heart is safe, but I'm not sure I want to be safe. For some reason the J♣ seems to want to jump out of my hand. If I lead a heart I'm leading the 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 i'd still lead the ♦A on this auction, tho a heart is probably better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Could the 1d bidder hold 4-5 spades ?If he could i will lead my A of diamond, if not ill lead the J of hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 ♠ lead, I don't think I should change my leads from a 1♥-4♥ auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 This is not a 1h -4h auction. RHO must be very long in H or making very poor bid since:LHO can be void in HLHO can be long in any suit, note this was not denied in explanation otherwise not full disclosure.RHO has not bid 2 or 3H. Best guess is partner is around 4234, 4135, 3235 with approx. 10 HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Lead C. Pd didnt overcall 1S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 curious why you would want to lead A diamonds, LHO D bid is denial I assume does not promise and strength in D, so leading A diamond may win one trick but make two if RHO had K, so why lead it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 curious why you would want to lead A diamonds, LHO D bid is denial I assume does not promise and strength in D, so leading A diamond may win one trick but make two if RHO had K, so why lead it? my reasons for leading it i stated above... might not be best reasons, but they're the only ones i have :) i want to get a look at dummy and i want to get a signal from partner... my guess is, he has some strength and he can't double, he has decent diamonds and a (perhaps) finesseable spade or two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 i want to get a look at dummy and i want to get a signal from partner Not sure this is necessary. There is no strong message that declarer or dummy has a suit for discard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 if i got a look at dummy's obvious shift suit and partner's signal, i'd know more... i'd at least know whether to continue diamonds or shift to o.s.... by inference i could tell something about the other suit sure, leading the ♦A could be wrong... but with my holding, a spade is the last thing i'd lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 i really have problems understanding this auction but ill lead a ♥ kenneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 2nd highest S. Todd is not 1D usually an invitational relay rather than a weak bid over 1C? We played 1H = gfr 1D = about 9-13 art.Regardless, 2nd highest S for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTodd13 Posted January 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 In our system, after 1♣, any bid by responder 1♠ and higher is less than invitational. 1♣-1♥ is all invite+ hands and 1♣-1♦ are less than invitational hands that don't have their own suit or want to check back for 5♥ with opener. 1♣-1♦-2/3/4♥ are all various ♥ preempts. Responder could be very weak with 0 hearts so the higher the heart level the more hearts are required. The killer lead is hidden below. Highlight below this point to see the hidden text. As it happens, any lead but a club lets the contract make. Without a club leaddeclarer cashes singleton SA in hand and crosses to dummy in diamonds to play SK and pitch a losing club from hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Perhaps I did not understand the answer. We cannot lead A of D and then Q of D? Since dummy cannot have an invite hand in spades, opener has not denied spades and 13 HCP, dummy cannot be as good as: KXXX=X=KXX=AXXXX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 ♠ lead seems best to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 i don't quite understand either... there seems to be 2 plays after the ♦A, either switch to a club then or play the ♦Q what am i missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 In our system, after 1♣, any bid by responder 1♠ and higher is less than invitational. 1♣-1♥ is all invite+ hands and 1♣-1♦ are less than invitational hands that don't have their own suit or want to check back for 5♥ with opener. 1♣-1♦-2/3/4♥ are all various ♥ preempts. Responder could be very weak with 0 hearts so the higher the heart level the more hearts are required. The killer lead is hidden below. Highlight below this point to see the hidden text. As it happens, any lead but a club lets the contract make. Without a club leaddeclarer cashes singleton SA in hand and crosses to dummy in diamonds to play SK and pitch a losing club from hand. Hi Todd Sorry if this sounds cranky, but why should I care? Is there a general principle that provides some value here, or is this just a random guessing game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTodd13 Posted January 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Of course, opening leads are a guessing game. When this problem arose at the table, there was an advocate there for a lead of each of the suits. Granted, these people weren't very good so I wanted to see what the forums crowd would have to say. I see that there is no clear lead on this hand because the people here too have suggested the lead of every suit. I don't think there is any logic that really dictates that a ♣ lead is best but it was interesting to see everybody's arguments for their selected leads. Sorry if this discussion wasn't interesting for the rest of you. Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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