lycier Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 [hv=sn=蒙面大侠&s=SAKJ943HKTDAK2C62&wn=机器人&w=ST86HJ9732DQJ94C9&nn=半遮面侠&n=SQ7H854D53CAT8543&en=机器人&e=S52HAQ6DT876CKQJ7&d=n&v=n&b=37&a=P1D(Minor%20suit%20opening%20--%203+%20D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)D2D(Free%20raise%20--%204+%20D%3B%206-9%20total%20points)PP2SPPP]499|350[/hv] 2♠是逼叫吗？后续你如何抉择？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 同伴显示了加倍出套的牌力，我是北的话，我叫一声3♠，由同伴决定是否进局。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9Ayy Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 我认为2♠逼叫，2♠后我会叫3♣或3♠，我更倾向于叫3♣。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejacket Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 加倍出套总是逼叫。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lxl3256 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 这个肯定是逼叫的，本来可以便宜叫出1S而在加倍后于2阶叫出。我会选择3S，因为C套感觉弱了些，而且无法叫NT，SQX也算不错的支持。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungh Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 嗯，加倍出套的牌力没有上限，所以，是逼叫的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ar5810 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 我赞同一般性的加倍出套不逼叫，但在有限支持的情形下同伴应尽可能的维持叫牌，此牌中的SQ和CA所提供的帮助是显而易见的，所以在此支持以双张带1大加叫至3S。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hejiang Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 看具体情况，如果真是很差的点，又不配合是可以PASS的，但6点有两支持可以邀一下。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wqiqiqi Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 这要看加倍出套的定义，若是16HCP+，像牌面显示的，我认为是建设性的，PD拿差牌可以PASS。实际持牌有非常好的6P，加叫3S是本手。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
601821297 Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 我认为不逼叫，搭档白板时难道也要硬着头皮往里钻吗，如果独立成局的牌在加倍之后何苦叫出了2S为难搭档，难道想贯不成？ :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbcs Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 逼叫的。^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunling Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 不逼叫，但有6点之多时是绝不可能PASS的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22135 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 加倍出套是否逼叫？我的回答是逼叫。加倍出套的人是没有上线的，一般二盖一的加倍出套是18+，那么你若有6+，就该正常应叫，你若6-，就应该有示弱装置。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuefeier Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 加倍后出套逼叫的 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
601821297 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 请楼主给出正确答案，谢谢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 请楼主给出正确答案，谢谢此处我不多谈过去传统方式，我的方案是：1-加倍后再出套=逼叫2-加倍后再跳叫=逼局3-加倍后再扣叫=支持同伴花色或寻求无将定约 希望这是我们俱乐部队员的叫牌卡。大家同意吗？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVAN CY LO Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 這個不是簡單加倍迫叫，在對方答叫後的加倍後再叫的牌是不迫叫的。只是高限競叫黑桃套。如加倍後，再扣叫才是絕對的迫叫，包括在加倍後左敵再叫的扣叫。 例子: 1D - X - 2D - PP - 3D! 這時3D 肯定是迫叫，任何非扣叫的叫品都是不迫叫。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiaxiachun Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 加倍出套后=不逼叫，因为pd完全可以是很烂且配合不怎么好的牌，抬一阶没那么好就这副牌而言，N家该3♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 嗯，加倍出套的牌力没有上限，所以，是逼叫的。加倍出套当然有上限，绝对不超过2♣开叫的牌力。所以不逼叫（就像2C以外的开叫不逼叫一样）。加倍之后扣叫才逼叫（到局）。加倍之后跳叫是否逼叫，看同伴间的约定。比如：(1♦)-X-(p)-1♥-(p)-2♠，同伴如果白板，♠配合不好（牌型差），同伴可以pass吗？ 就这副牌而言，北有非常好的6点（唯一的不足是♠只有2张），♠Qx支持同伴，旁门有A，直接加到局都不为过。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunling Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 劳伦斯说不仅加倍出套不逼叫，甚至加倍再跳叫也是不逼叫的。 B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 加倍出套是否逼叫，我赞同老师的观点。不过同伴0-6还主动叫牌吗？现实打牌中我遇到一副牌同伴加叫后被打宕，opps说同伴你拿这么点的点力还加？我当时解释我们逼叫不能停。这个故事能否说明问题吗？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuefeier Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 应叫人最后决择 :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzdhy668 Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 加倍后出套是逼叫，这个约定不太好，PD可能是白皮无配合，这对加倍出套人要求太高，加倍人邀请牌力怎么办，帖中所举牌例如北家白皮无配合叫什么？这样PD之间太容易误解，定为邀请牌力比较好，现例中北家是不叫中的高限，对同伴花色有Qx支持，C还有A领头的6张套，叫3S是正常牌手的应叫，叫PASS实在是不负责任； 加倍后跳出套是逼叫，尚可接受，一般这样的牌接近独立成局； 加倍后再扣叫是逼叫，也可接受，加倍人的牌接近独立成局。 书上还有“加倍改之”约定仅表示未叫花色双高与加倍出套易混淆，我曾有一个PD对此约定就常混淆，这样叫牌会产生很大误会。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzdhy668 Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 看具体情况，如果真是很差的点，又不配合是可以PASS的，但6点有两支持可以邀一下。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 加倍出套者要小心。你拿着低花套，H短，敌方开叫1S，如果你加倍，同伴多半应叫2H，你要在3阶才能叫出你的花色。在不知道同伴的牌力和双方的配合情况下，你就到了3阶。所以，如果你拿17,8点牌，也许还是直接争叫为宜。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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