JonnyQuest Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 1♣ - (1♦) - X The double shows both Majors, yes? Standard stuff? But....what about: 1♣ - (2♦) - X Still BOTH Majors? If: 1♣ - (2♦) - 2♠ ******* What is 2♠ here? Does it promise a 5 card suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 After a (weak) jump overcall, you just do not have enough bidding space to restrict double to being only both majors. It has to cover a wider range of hands than this. The 2♠ response shows 5+ spades and is forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMan Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 After a (weak) jump overcall, you just do not have enough bidding space to restrict double to being only both majors. It has to cover a wider range of hands than this. The 2♠ response shows 5+ spades and is forcing. Indeed. This is a good example of a time when you have to make the call that misdescribes your hand the least. There are lots of others. Also an example of how your own pre-empt can force the opps to make choices they'd rather not have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Double of 2♦ is either: 1. At least 4-3 majors less than invite.2. One or both 4M with inv+ values. The first hand will pass simple rebids from opener. The second will take a second call (typically notrump or clubs or cue if opener bids the major where we do not have four). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 How often do you have 4-4 in the Majors in those situations ?I have posted this non-standard treatment before: -- Neg-DBL shows shows 4 cards ♠ and says nada about ♥. -- Bidding ♥ shows 4+ cards -- Bidding ♠ shows 5+ cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangzhi123 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 i use bid double 44 major！and 1h 1s 4+ indicate the opening head and constuctive！double 44 major or single suit 17p+y，five good suit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 i use bid double 44 major！and 1h 1s 4+ indicate the opening head and constuctive！double 44 major or single suit 17p+This sounds like the perfect system... providing the opps are banned from calling the TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 This sounds like the perfect system... providing the opps are banned from calling the TD.Allow me to translate :1♣ - (1♦) - X The double shows both Majors, yes?. . Yes, 4-4 both majors. (1♥ and 1♠ would be 4 card)1♣ - (2♦) - X Still BOTH Majors?. . Yes, assume 4-4 both majors, but it could also be 17+ hcp with an unspecified long suit.1♣ - (2♦) - 2♠ ******* What is 2♠ here? Does it promise a 5 card suit?. . Yes Perfectly normal where I live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Allow me to translate :1♣ - (1♦) - X The double shows both Majors, yes?. . Yes, 4-4 both majors. (1♥ and 1♠ would be 4 card)1♣ - (2♦) - X Still BOTH Majors?. . Yes, assume 4-4 both majors, but it could also be 17+ hcp with an unspecified long suit.1♣ - (2♦) - 2♠ ******* What is 2♠ here? Does it promise a 5 card suit?. . Yes Perfectly normal where I live.So what do you do with a 9-11 count 4-2 in the majors without a diamond stop ? say AQxx, Kx, xxxx, Jxx particularly opposite a maybe short club. Edit: - over 2♦, not 1, and what does opener do with 4225/2425. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 So what do you do with a 9-11 count 4-2 in the majors without a diamond stop ? say AQxx, Kx, xxxx, Jxx particularly opposite a maybe short club.Playing with a random pick-up partner, 1♠. As the poster said, constructive.Not my methods, and twoforbridge's post seems a better method. Is it standard, though? I am not aware of it. Edit - I am not espousing any method, just offering my interpretation of the post. Personally I would bid 1♥ to show spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Playing with a random pick-up partner, 1♠. As the poster said, constructive.Not my methods, and twoforbridge's post seems a better method. Is it standard, though? I am not aware of it. Edit - I am not espousing any method, just offering my interpretation of the post. Personally I would bid 1♥ to show spades.Sorry, should have specified, over 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 I don't know if it's considered standard, but I do know that Marty Bergen is pretty emphatic that a negative double only shows both majors in the specific auction 1♣-(1♦)-X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 I don't know if it's considered standard, but I do know that Marty Bergen is pretty emphatic that a negative double only shows both majors in the specific auction 1♣-(1♦)-X.I consider this to be standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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