lamford Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) [hv=pc=n&e=sa7hqj94dt653ct74&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=pp1s2cd4c4h5c]133|200[/hv]Matchpoints. Edited June 4, 2013 by lamford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 i don't think anyone would seriously consider anything other than pass, unless they were in a forcing pass situation, which would be a little odd. still, that doesn't mean i agree with what you said in the other thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I'm passing, you have a minimum anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 I'm passing, you have a minimum anyway.What do you think partner has ? I can see bidding being right, but not sure I can bring myself to do it. Give partner KQJxxx, AKxx in our suits and opps a singleton each for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 If partner is strong for the 4H bid he will double and we can bid or pass. If they have bid on shape perhaps they will bid 5H. Partner was under some pressure when they bid 4H, no reason for us to do anything other than pass now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 I already showed everything this hand has to offer. In addition, partner still has a call coming. Clear pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 I and one other person I know of who had this hand at the table doubled. We both wanted to make a forcing pass but unfortunately weren't playing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jallerton Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 What's the form of scoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 What's the form of scoring? Appeals committee. :P 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Double would really never occur to me here. I have minimum values with all my points in partner's suits, and basically one trick of defense (spade ace). In fact I am more tempted to bid 5♥ than double, since partner's 4♥ jump is often (but not always) a 5-5 or 6-5 hand and I rate our chances at the five-level as fairly decent... However I think pass is a standout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 SA, to SK, S-ruff. HQ out, expecting another 1,2 tricks.Double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 I have already shown my hand with the initial x. Why on earth would I bid my hand twice? Obvious pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 I pass, since I am okay with all of partner's possible decisions (pass, X, and 5H). Doubling is a huge loser when partner would bid had you passed. Bidding is a big loser when partner would have doubled had you passed. I try to pass if reasonable whenever this is true, and it's certainly true here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 SA, to SK, S-ruff. HQ out, expecting another 1,2 tricks.Double.And of course a) Partner has the SKb) Partner has no more than 5 spades, even though he is probably void in clubs. c) The remaining spades are divided 3-3 in spite of opponents vigorous bidding. Dream on. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted June 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 What's the form of scoring?Matchpoints, and I am suprised that you do not recognise the hand as someone at your table probably had the hand a few days ago, although it is possible it was your sit-out. Even if you don't, the "Matchpoints" hidden away just after "Your Bid" could have helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 I try to pass if reasonable whenever this is true, and it's certainly true here.I thought your philosophy was to double when it's reasonable :) Seriously, I can imagine doubling when this is action rather than penalty oriented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 having all the stuff on the majors is a little bit tempting but not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 I and one other person I know of who had this hand at the table doubled. We both wanted to make a forcing pass but unfortunately weren't playing it. Let's assume you were playing FP --- This is an interesting point as I believeFP differs when we are considering going to the 4/5 level than when we areconsidering slam. At the 4/5 level control in opps suit is not as serious amatter and can usually be bid based more on general power and/ordistribution. The quesion than does this hand qualify as a FP?? FP can then be used to help quantify an as yet unlimited hand like the hand responder showed with x. Responder hand looks exactly like whatopener might expect from a minimum x of 2c though closer to the bottomthan the top. Under these conditions responder must x. This allows opener to make ahighly informed decision w/o worries of responder having extra values.Another benefit is that if opener does not wish to sit for the x oppositea minimum partner they know bidding on is a good idea. I noted youwanted to make a forcing pass with this hand and wondered how yourthinking of FP in this situation differs from mine and why?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 And of course a) Partner has the SKb) Partner has no more than 5 spades, even though he is probably void in clubs. c) The remaining spades are divided 3-3 in spite of opponents vigorous bidding. Dream on. Rainer Herrmann *** Of course! Partner won't have DAK, nor CA, nor SK, on and on. Quite pessimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 I would make a forcing pass if I could because although I have a minimum, all my points are in the majors and I don't have a club honour. I don't want partner to pass 5C out: I want him either to bid or to double but I don't know which. This isn't about whether or not we have a slam, it's about whether to defend or play. It's not about points as such, it's about uncertainty. I would double with xx Kxxx KJxx xxx or x Axxx QJxx Qxx. The actual hand is very offensive for its HCPs and it could be right to bid because (for example) 5C is making: try giving partner Q109xx AKxxx Qx x. he has no reason to pull a double of 5C but 5C could easily be making and we are cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron_1 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 I am staggered the forum reached as many as 11 replies ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 I have what I said I have, with no real unexpected offensive or defensive suprises. I will pass and see what partner wants to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 If partner has as litte as KQJT9x AKxxx A A we are cold for 7NT! I am going to try that. Seriously, why would anyone do anything other than pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 [hv=pc=n&e=sa7hqj94dt653ct74&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=pp1s2cd4c4h5c]133|200| Matchpoints.[/hv] IMO Pass = 10, Double = 9, 5♥ = 7. It's close and unless this is a forcing pass context, I quite like FrancesHinden's double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 Basically, under this scenario without forcing pass there are two ways to play double: first, as a warning not to bid on, and second as an invitation to bid on. The hand is much more suit oriented now than when the auction began, so although I have shown my hand I have an opportunity to futher clarify what type hand it is, so I would like to use double as showing a hand where 4H surely would have made. I think double is called for because this hand is much better suited to play 4H than it could have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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