32519 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 This hand comes from a recent club match. The hand records say that 7♦ by either East or West can make. I can't see the play. Please help.[hv=pc=n&s=skj954h83dt76cqt9&w=saqt832hqdkqj93c5&n=s6hjt7642d52ck743&e=s7hak95da84caj862&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=1sp2c(2/1%20GF)p2dp2h(4th%20suit%20forcing)p3d]399|300[/hv]Two questions:1. How should the bidding continue?2. How does 7♦ make (according to the hand records)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 What's the point of bidding FSF with a stopper in the fourth suit when you're already in a game force? On a spade lead from north, W has two top spades, three top hearts, five diamonds, a club and two spade ruffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 1♠ - 2♣2♦ - 2♥3♦ - 3♥3♠ - 4♦4NT - 5♦5NT - 6♥7♦ I'm assuming 3♥ would be natural. After east shows a 1-4-3-5 hand, west knows there isn't a spade loser and can ask for aces.As for the play, on a heart lead, west wins the queen, plays a club to the ace, finesses the spade cheaply, ruffs a spade, ruffs a club, ruffs a spade, ruffs a club, ruffs a spade, and plays a top heart from dummy. I think there are multiple possible end positions at this point but I'm not very sure. The one I reached was: [hv=pc=n&s=skhdt76c&w=sahdkqjc&n=shtd52ck&e=sha9dcj8]399|300[/hv] West leads the Ace of hearts from dummy and south is caught. If he discards the ♠K then west discards the ♠A and gets his three high trumps. If he instead ruffs, west overruffs and his hand is high.EDIT: fixed diagram What's the point of bidding FSF with a stopper in the fourth suit when you're already in a game force? On a spade lead from north, W has two top spades, three top hearts, five diamonds, a club and two spade ruffs.I think there are some transportation issues. The 6-2 heart division muddles things up a bit, otherwise it would be very easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Assume a ♦ lead from North. I can't see how this makes then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Assume a ♦ lead from North. I can't see how this makes then. Well you can make as follows: 1. Diamond lead won by dummy's ace.2. Spade to queen.3. Spade ruff (North cannot ruff high enough to score a trump)4. Heart to queen.5. Spade ruff.6. Heart ruff.7-9. Three rounds of trump, pitching small clubs from dummy.10. Spade ace, pitching small club from dummy.11. Club to dummy's ace.12-13. Ace-king of heart. How realistic is this line? Well after the trump lead you'd need to be quite lucky to establish the spades (will need king falling third), and the spade finesse seems about as good a chance. If you've decided to take spade finesse then the line above is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=skj954h83dt76cqt9&w=saqt832hqdkqj93c5&n=s6hjt7642d52ck743&e=s7hak95da84caj862&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=1sp2c(2/1%20GF)p2dp2h(4th%20suit%20forcing)p3d]399|300|This hand comes from a recent club match. The hand records say that 7♦ by either East or West can make. I can't see the play. Please help.Two questions:1. How should the bidding continue?2. How does 7♦ make (according to the hand records)?[/hv][hv=pc=n&s=skjh83dc&w=sat8hqdc&n=shjt7dcq&e=shak9dcj]399|300| There seem to be several solutions :) You can play as Lord Molybd suggests. On non-heart lead, you can finesse spades, cross ruff black suits, and draw trumps, to reach this four card ending. ♠A squeezes LHO in the round suits[/hv]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted June 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Well you can make as follows: 1. Diamond lead won by dummy's ace.2. Spade to queen.3. Spade ruff (North cannot ruff high enough to score a trump)4. Heart to queen.5. Spade ruff.6. Heart ruff.7-9. Three rounds of trump, pitching small clubs from dummy.10. Spade ace, pitching small club from dummy.11. Club to dummy's ace.12-13. Ace-king of heart. How realistic is this line? Well after the trump lead you'd need to be quite lucky to establish the spades (will need king falling third), and the spade finesse seems about as good a chance. If you've decided to take spade finesse then the line above is fine.Even double dummy I failed to see this line of play. And that is the simple reason why some players are just better than others. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGF_Flame Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 on a diamond lead finesse to the Q spade, ruff 2 spades draw trumps, and throw the last 2 spades on the AK hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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