SimonFa Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 MP, all white, 2/1. ♠7652♥953♦K87♣Q74 Edit: bidding goes 1C (P) ? On the plus side you do have 4 Spades but on the negative side they're pretty anemic and it is a 4333 hand. I know its a bidders game but is this pushing it too far? Thanks in advance, Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 MP, all white, 2/1. ♠7652♥953♦K87♣Q74 On the plus side you do have 4 Spades but on the negative side they're pretty anemic and it is a 4333 hand. I know its a bidders game but is this pushing it too far? Thanks in advance, Simon Since u didnt tell which suit pd opened with... I bid 1 ♠ over a minor I show my support if pd opens 1♥ I show my support over 1♠ I pass over 1NT I will not go over 2 level openings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 In a natural system, I would raise a major but pass a minor. But with Qxxx.Kxx.xxx.xxx I would always respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 I pass the 1 club opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Doesn't it depend what system you are playing? If you are playing Acol with a weak no trump it would be silly to pass 1♣, for instance, because partner will often have a strong no trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 I don't think this hand is worth 5 points. I would pass any one level opening, except maybe 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 I will stick my neck out with 1♠ on account of the conditions. Please don't jump pd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Will I want to leave the room rather than put down dummy if partner bids 2NT next? In this case yes. Pass. Will I want to leave the room rather than put down dummy if partner bids 1NT next? This is the death hand for weak NT-X, so yeah. I'm less likely to pass playing K/S, as I don't particularly mind 1NT next, and that's much more likely than 2NT. Yes, 1♣ will play worse than spades, but I'll have to play 2♠, and that's if we have spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 pass - no reason to get partner excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 I pass 1♣ with this REALLY bad 5 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 I may be too conservative but my general rule is that if I wouldn't welcome a 2nt rebid I don't respond. This one actually doesn't welcome any rebid other than 2♣ or 2♠ and if p is minimum with a fit, oops are probably going to outbid us anyway. And I don't want a spade lead. 1♠ has merits of course. It makes it more difficult for oops to bid 4♥. But I don't think it's worth it. We will get overboard too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 I will bid 1♠, but in my world partner will not bid 2N with a balanced 18-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Totally obvious pass. Bidding with this trash is a lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 It's heartening to see so much incisive matchpoint analaysis in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 It's heartening to see so much incisive matchpoint analaysis in this thread.gwnn noticed the conditions, he may be the only one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 So its matchpoints no one vul. It is still a pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 gwnn noticed the conditions, he may be the only one! So its matchpoints no one vul. It is still a pass.Maybe we noticed and just didn't care ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 If you play 2 over 1 system,bid 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Matchpoints in the N/B forum. Do we not think that 1♣ is going to be an easier contract to not pitch tricks on than 1 or 2NT by a N/B? Either we're playing against better players, in which case, they're more likely to hit and clearly more likely to take all their tricks in bad contracts (even in good contracts) if we bid; conversely, they're more likely to get to the right contract if we pass - but that should be A- to A; or we're playing against other N/Bs in which case we're taking the last guess rather than putting it to them; when it's matchpoint right to bid, you'll have company passing; when it's matchpoint wrong to bid, you'll also have company. So it still looks like "make the safest call" is correct MP strategy to me here, and the big holes outweigh the smaller peaks IMestimation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 MP, all white, 2/1. ♠ 7 6 5 2 ♥ 9 5 3 ♦ K 8 7 ♣ Q 7 41C (P) ?On the plus side you do have 4 Spades but on the negative side they're pretty anemic and it is a 4333 hand. I know its a bidders game but is this pushing it too far? IMO 1♠ = 10, 1N = 8, Pass = 7. My hero, John Collings would pass such hands, so I did too, until I noticed that most experts seem to dredge up a reply on practically anything. 1♠ is pushy and mis-descriptive but pre-emptive. Also, It increases our prospects of declaring (easier than defending); and of reaching one notrump before opponents do (an important goal, not-vulnerable at match-pointed pairs). You don't need to worry about the possibility of 1NX -500 because, at MP pairs, you are concerned about frequency of gain rather than amount of gain (the latter is more important at IMPS/teams). Finally, playing 2/1, partner will sometimes have a better chance of making 2N than 1♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonFa Posted June 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 Thanks for all the responses. Being on the conservative side I passed but I did think long and hard about 1 spade, so its good to see that even such an august body don't think there is an obvious bid. As it happens pass was the winning bid this time just making, 1 Spade -2 and 1NT -1 but in these situation I suppose it could go anyway. Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 As it happens pass was the winning bid this time just making, 1 Spade -2 and 1NT -1 but in these situation I suppose it could go anyway. Simon I don't follow. Why was one off 1NT a losing board? Were we doubled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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