bglover Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 What do you do with a good hand after partner opens and RHO doubles? I have played that all good hands (10 +) begin with a reX and then you go about showing your stuff.. A bid of a new suit is forcing and promises at least five, if the opponents bid their suit, then a double is optional, showing the ability to defend or to play somewhere our way. If I bid directly over the takeout x I am showing a badish hand and am attempting to interfere (and will jump with weakness and a long suit). I have never had any troubles playing reX this way (except when partner forces the bidding too high on minimal values). A few times in the recent past tho, I've had partners bid directly over opps 2d seat double (after I've opened) and gotten a poor result because I assumed partner was bidding on weakness (due to the lack of an immediate reX), so obviously others do not all play this way. So, how DO others treat these hands? My way is obviously not the only way.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 I play that redouble is either a forcing-game one-suited hand or a hand with two 4+ card suits excluding pd's suit (penalty oriented). Another useful treatment I play is that after 1M-dbl all bids but xx are transfers, example 1nt -> 2c, 2d->2d, etc. A transfer can be made to pass with a weak hand or to bid again with a good hand (INV+). A transfer to opener's suit is used as a constructive raise while the direct raise is weak. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Hi, With pickup partners, I pretty much play responding to Takeout Doubles like recommended in Bridge Base Standard... which is New suit 1 level is FORCING New suit 2 level is NOT FORCING Jump shifts are WEAK 1NT is natural RDBL is good hand (11+) and implies no support 2NT is sound limit raise or better Jump raises are weak. With established partners, I prefer to follow the teachings of the zen masters Robson/Segal in their classic "Partnership Bidding at Bridge" here the rules are .... 1m-X-? 2m = if m=D, then weak raise, if m=C normal raise New suit 1 level = ***FORCING*** 2C (if 1D opened) = sound raise to 2D Jump new suit = fit bid (suit bid + partners suit) 2NT = good fit, nice hand Jump raise preemptive RDBL = 11+ implies no fit 1NT natural 1M-(x) 2M = weak raise 3M = weak raise 4 card support (maybe 0hcp) 1NT = transfer to 2C 2C = transfer to 2D 2D = transfer to 2H 2H = transfer to 2S if 1S opened, otherwise wk raise 2NT = limit raise or better New Suit Jumps = fit raises, suit bid + support My believe is that if you hold, say... S:T95H:KQJT9D:KQTC:86 Vul versus not... And the bidding goes... LHO Pard RHO MePAss 1C DBL ? I am not going to redouble. I am going to bid my suit... 1Heart. For surely if it goes RDBL, they will bid 1S or 1D. The law of total tricks will suggest that we not defend against 1D or 1S, and I like my hearts. 1H is forcing. Let's see what happens. Does this mean I never redouble? Of course not. If my hand says we should be defending, I will redbl to keep that option alive. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bglover Posted June 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Well, I should have mentioned I also play Jordan and flip flop for the minors... What if partner opens 1c and after RHO doubles you hold a hand like this??? QxKJxxxxxxjxx Do you risk a 1N bid or do you pass? I would usually bid 1H here, mostly to take it away from the opponents, and partner should full well not be expecting any more than this... If we play that it's a 1 round force then it's quite likely we could be playing 2H in a 4-3 fit with a 4-2 trump break... Seems as if this hand really should be passing and reentering the bidding later, then, if 1H creates a one-round force. Yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 QxKJxxxxxxjxx Seems as if this hand really should be passing and reentering the bidding later, then, if 1H creates a one-round force. Yes? Yes, with this hand, I pass happily (or if feeling frisky, raise to 2CLUBS...and yes, I have played 3-3 fits). Reverse my minors and have partner open 1D and I will raise to 2D... matter of fact, I will issue a fair raise by bidding 2C because I often raise with junk (as if this isnt?). In my experience partner tends to have diamonds when he bids them... :-) But back to the bid I most often will make with this hand, which is pass. Having to pass with this hand is not awful. If it goes 1Spade or 2Spade on your left passed back to you, you have such a very nice reopening double... 4H's, 4D's, and you can stand partner rebidding clubs... That would be the ideal auction to allow you to show this hand. And if partner decides to convert your take out reopening dbl of 2S to penalty? How can you have more. The S-Q will be useful, and the H-KJ well placed. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 What if partner opens 1c and after RHO doubles you hold a hand like this??? QxKJxxxxxxjxx I'd bid 1h, 1h shouldn't promise a 5 card suit here and I have a good hand for a 1nt or 2c rebid by pd. I want to let him know that I have some values so we can fight a partscore. They will be in 2 spades soon and I want to know if we can compete to 3c or 3h inmediately.I wouldn't like thinking about bidding this hand later if I can bid 1h now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bglover Posted June 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 So far I prefer the redouble solution to bidding a suit craeting a one-round force. XX tells partner it's our hand (we should have minimum of 23 points) and I can still bid my suit later. I need to be convinced that bidding as a one round force is gonna work out... The hand I devised (purposely and it wasn't too taxing) is a fine example of why I prefer my method. I DO like Luis's xfer method over 1M and may well decide its worth incorporating... Come one you guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRG Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Since everyone is being invited to jump in... I thought I was old fashioned, but we play: - Redouble suggests we may be able to punish the opponents and denies to ability to make any kind of constructive (and obviously destructive) raise in partner's suit. - Contrary to modern practice, we play both 1 and 2-level bids in a new suit as forcing, and unlimited. - Jordan/Dormer with a modification in the minors (see below) - the rest pretty much as one would expect NT suggest playing in NT but we may prefer trying to punish the opponents, especially if they are VUL. The modification: - 1M - Dbl - 2NT is a limit raise - 1M - Dbl - 3M is preemptive - 1m - Dbl - 2NT is preemptive raise of partner's minor - 1m - Dbl - 3m is limit raise of partner's minor The reason for modifying the last two bids (it may even have a name?) it that partner will sometimes have a nice hand that wants to play in 3NT - but NOT from MY side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Fourrière Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Is the 11+ redouble really useful at that level, when you have no hint whether opener has a real suit (because you do not play the weak notrump or - if the opening is in diamonds - the Polish Club) ? I would prefer redouble to show four spades (and perhaps four hearts) and one spade to show five, or redouble to show four hearts (and perhaps four spades) and one heart to show five. (or some other permutation) Redouble for hearts seems more useful, since support doubles are easier after 1m (x) 1S (2H) than after 1m (x) 1H (2S). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 I use 1h (dbl) 1s = natural with 5+ spades, forcing 1n = xfer to 2c 2c = xfer to 2d 2d = Sound raise with 3h (8-10) 2h = Weak raise with 4h 2n = 9+ with 4h 3d = 5-8 with 4 hearts 3h = 0-4 with 4 hearts 1s (dbl) 1n = xfer to 2c 2c = xfer to 2d 2d = xfer to 2h 2h = Sound raise with 3s (8-10) 2s = Weak raise with 3s 2n = 9+ with 4s 3h = 5-8 with 4s 3s = 0-4 with 4s It's simple and easy to remember, everything is a transfer but raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgek Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 What if partner opens 1c and after RHO doubles you hold a hand like this??? QxKJxxxxxxjxx I'd bid 1h, 1h shouldn't promise a 5 card suit here and I have a good hand for a 1nt or 2c rebid by pd. I want to let him know that I have some values so we can fight a partscore. They will be in 2 spades soon and I want to know if we can compete to 3c or 3h inmediately.I wouldn't like thinking about bidding this hand later if I can bid 1h now.I couldn't agree more, but the same holds true over an opening of 1M, if partner openend 1Sp I wanna bid 1NT over opp t/o dbl, for exactly the same reasons, so that transfer idea doesn't appeal to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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