Agree with 3H and go on?

[kgr]

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(I hope that the biding is not too special)

Partner has a Heart fit (2 or 3-card) and some slam interest. He didn't promise or deny a ♠-control. He has 1st or 2nd control in ♣.

Minimum in points, but only 5 losers.

Should you pass?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

He didn't promise or deny a ♠-control.

He by-passed 3S by bidding 4C ... hence no ♠-Ctrl .

And the Ctrl-cuebidding in his OWN suit ( ♣ ) should show 2 of the top 3 according to the Italians .

[PhilKing]

If 3♥ is the system bid, the system needs changing. What would partner do over 3♥ with clubs?

 

Anyway, I will try 4♠ now with no great enthusiasm. I presume 3♠ over 3♥ would just have shown values in spades (rather than cue) so I did not promise a spade control with 4♦. It is unlikely partner has waste in spades unless he has misbid.

[ggwhiz]

If 3♥ is the system bid, the system needs changing. What would partner do over 3♥ with clubs?

 

Or 4-cards in diamonds. I hate the 3♥ bid. Opponents steal bidding room often enough without doing it to yourself.

[kgr]

If 3♥ is the system bid, the system needs changing. What would partner do over 3♥ with clubs?

System is a bit worse then SA, but wouldn't you have the similar issue with SA?

Anyway, I will try 4♠ now with no great enthusiasm.

Thanks for bidding anyway :)

Problem given by teammates, I don't know yet what the actual hands were. I passed with no great enthusiasm.

I presume 3♠ over 3♥ would just have shown values in spades (rather than cue) so I did not promise a spade control with 4♦.

Yes, 3♠ would be values in Spades (for 3NT) & 4♦ does not promise a ♠-cue. (One could argue to bid 3♠ as an advanced cue and continue over 3NT, but that would give too many issues if partner bids 4♥..or should he never?)

It is unlikely partner has waste in spades unless he has misbid.

It is unlikely he has length, but can't he have like AJx?

[PhilKing]

It is unlikely he has length, but can't he have like AJx?

 

That's not wasted valued - only the jack is superfluous. :P

[the hog]

3H is very poor. Why not bid 2D? The hand is not good enough for 3H by your own definition. I would pass now.

[gszes]

1h 2c 2d if p cannot bid 2n/3n you can use splinter theory

without having to waste the space. Your hand becomes

much more valuable if p has no wasted values in spades.

Note however that the 2d bid is what allows your p to bid

the nt if they can. Once you jump to 3h (your hand is good

enough but why waste the space) you create a problem

for your partner since they have no clue about your dia

stops they may not be able to bid nt. Another problem

with 3h is showing a strong hand leaves your p in a

postion to have to choose between 3n and 4h so you never

have a clue how good your hand is.

 

P also begins slamming about having no clue how strong

your hand is and you are now floundering around because

you were sort of minimum for your 3h bid and still have no

clue if the spade singelton is a good or a poor feature. Try

to avoid self preemption when you can.

 

IMO you have done enough but I say that with no great

convition that it is the right thing to do.

[Zelandakh]

The hand is not good enough for 3H by your own definition.

You need to talk to your friend Walter - the hand has 6 hearts and 15hcp.

[kgr]

system after 1♥-2♣ (2♣=♣ and 10+HCP; OR 3c♥ and 10+) is:

- 2♦=denies 6c♥, 5c♥ and 12-14 (or sometimes strong with 4+c♦)

- 2♥=6c♥, 11-14, Non-forcing

- 3♥=6c♥, 15+

- 2NT=15+, balanced with 5c♥

Maybe not best, but what would you bid if constrained by this system?

[ggwhiz]

Maybe not best, but what would you bid if constrained by this system?

 

Change the system. You gotta be able to bid 2♦ with these cards and show the 6th heart next round. 6♦ may even be the right contract opposite 3 good ones with short hearts.

[gszes]

system after 1♥-2♣ (2♣=♣ and 10+HCP; OR 3c♥ and 10+) is:

- 2♦=denies 6c♥, 5c♥ and 12-14 (or sometimes strong with 4+c♦)

- 2♥=6c♥, 11-14, Non-forcing

- 3♥=6c♥, 15+

- 2NT=15+, balanced with 5c♥

Maybe not best, but what would you bid if constrained by this system?

 

Never a favorite for singleton honors anyway and p not bidding 1s increases

the probability the spade Q is not carrying its full value. Forced to use this

system i would much rather bid 2h than 3h. The secretary bird would agree

with me and as usual would find p with AKx of spades with the 2 spade

pitches being the only thing that allows us to make 7:))))))))))))))))))))))