Poky Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Expert casual partner. ♠Axx♥Axx♦Kxx♣Qxxx 1♠ - pass - pass - 2♣2♥ - 2NT* - pass - 4NT!!! * I know you may not agree with 2NT but that was the actual bidding! What you expect from 4NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 i'd expect it to be a strong hand that would have reversed into diamonds if not for 2nt... i could be wrong but i'm bidding 5C... i'd bid 6 had he doubled first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 He has about 4 bids to show slam interest, so I think it's "choose your best minor". Bid 5♣ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Should be for minor. I vote for 5C. I really hate this kind bid which gives pd much headache. 2N is a good bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I think pard is trying for something more than game. What he has I don't know and, quite frankly, I don't care. My hand is about as good as it can get for my bidding, so I bid 6C now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 This is difficult to say. What would a balancing cue-bid be? Any two suiter? Hearts and minor? Forcing? I play it as any two suiter, but I doubt that is even close to standard (many will play as major and a minor). The two opinions are 1) Quantatitive and 2) pick a minor game. For Quantatitive, however, partner would need a balanced hand and around 20 points. Clearly he would not start 2♣ with that hand as his balancing call (dbl then notrump or jump to 2NT to begin with). How about long clubs and semi-great hand? Well, he bid only 2♣ not 3♣ or dlb then jump in clubs, so that hands like 7 clubs to AK and heart and diamond stoppers and is inviting is also out. So I have to agree with the earlier posters this is a minor two suiter. And my hand is "golden" opposite a minor two suiter, we might even be cold for 7♣ (give partner x x AQxxx AKxxxx), but I see no way to investigate logically so I will just bid 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanbari Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 i choose 6c too, hopefully find partner has D: AQXX, C: AKXXXX(X),or D: QJXX, C: AKxxxxx shan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Partner is bidding 2 clubs with these example hands? I know 2nt in balance seat is strong NT, so that is out, but bidding only 2 clubs on these concentrated two suited hands surprises me. Is 4nt not an option in balance seat, first bid? 3 Clubs? Perhaps even X( p is allowed to bid D sometimes) then club rebid if hand with lots of playing tricks? On actual bidding I would guess weak two suiter with far less HCP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Partner is bidding 2 clubs with these example hands? I know 2nt in balance seat is strong NT, so that is out, but bidding only 2 clubs on these concentrated two suited hands surprises me. Is 4nt not an option in balance seat, first bid? 3 Clubs? Perhaps even X( p is allowed to bid D sometimes) then club rebid if hand with lots of playing tricks? On actual bidding I would guess weak two suiter with far less HCP Why 4NT with a weak two suiter? I mean, why go negative when you can be positive? Partner clearly can not be weak, and he certainly has no idea that you have a magic hand that might well make opposite a weak minor two suiter. Your hand clearly could be a whole lot worse than it is, and could have significant wasted value in both majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Assume 2clubs could be much less here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Imo if partner is interested in slam, he should bid 3♥, 3♠, 4♥ or 4♠ first, not 4NT... He has room enough to investigate controls and the like, so I don't think he has a hand interested to go higher than the 5 level :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 It must be a strong minor two-suiter with longer clubs (he starts with 2D if equal or with longer diamonds). A method I have heard of in the balancing seat uses the Qbid to show an unspecifed 1 suiter too strong for a simple overcall and uses Roman jump overcalls. So over 1S: 3C=minors, 3D=red suits, 3H=hearts and clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Same as Ben, I play the Q in balance as an unknown 2 suiter. However, I wouldn't expect this with a casual partner, who I can see making a simple 2♣ balance on a 5-6. While I have an absolute moose (wow, can my hand be ANY more perfect for pard?); I'll also settle on 6♣. 7 may be gin, but again not be makeable; doesn't x, x, Axxxx, AKxxxx? sound about right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firechief Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 I'll bid 6 clubs. I don't understand why partner didn't bid 3 diamonds or even 4 diamonds over 2nt instead with both minors. Could he really have 12 or 13 cards in the minors? I think what's more likely is that partner was very short in hearts, and didn't want to reopen with a double. Partner's 4nt is actually a strong hand...something like QJx x AQx AKxxxx. If he has the spade ten also or a 7th club, I'll apologize for not trying harder for 7, even though I doubt we'd get there after I bid 5h.Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 Partner didn't have enough to double back in or jump...but he has enough to commit to game over my 12-14 2NT. Must have a distributional medium strength hand with clubs and diamonds. I'd guess along the line of x, x, AJ10xx, AKxxxx. With such a great two-suited fit and both majors controlled I'm bidding 6 clubs and expect to make it. winstonm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LH2650 Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 IF partner is showing the minors, some of the example hands would have poor play for game opposite a 2N response not including a major suit Ace. Therefore, they are minimums. My hand is so golden that I will try 5S, which partner should interpret as an RKCB response for clubs. He may even work out that my hand is too good for a mere 6C, and infer that I have the diamond King. Then he can make an intelligent decision. Even if he is totally confused, he will retreat to 6 clubs, which would be my second choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 I would take it as quantitative, wich kind of hand can partner have for not doubling that can play slam?, IMO he expects a bit more from our 2NT he probably has the super maximum (good 16?) with 6♣, I don't think playing 6 is good because we don't have KJ or A10 or similar at all to make 29 HCP into 32 after finesing. I would pass at MP, 5♣ at IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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