kgr Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sakq62hdkj62ck972&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=3hp4h]133|200|IMPs[/hv]What is your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 pretty obvious double imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 I thought you were here long enough to know the answer to this on: "Dbl wtp". :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted May 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 I thought you were here long enough to know the answer to this on: "Dbl wtp". :PNot really :)This problem was sent to us by a friend.My partner choose 4♠, that friend 4NT (minors) and I 5♥ (hoping it is a slam try for any suit).I didn't like DBL with a void at this level when partner will often pass and we play 4♥X when we have slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 4♠ I don't like double because: (1) there's a decent chance that partner passes and I can't believe defending is best here, (2) I think I prefer to play 4S to 5m even if partner only has 2 trump. My bid admittedly makes it much harder to get to slam, but I guess I'm surrendering to the "pre-empts work" philosophy here and taking what is close to a sure thing. If 4S is even too much because RHO was bidding to make and has a good spade holding, I have an escape route via 4N if RHO doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 If pard has some dreck with a long minor I like our chances of making 5 of those before 4♠ with a pump/endplay at trick one. Besides, double is a transfer of responsibility so I win the post-mortem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Not really :)This problem was sent to us by a friend.My partner choose 4♠, that friend 4NT (minors) and I 5♥ (hoping it is a slam try for any suit).I didn't like DBL with a void at this level when partner will often pass and we play 4♥X when we have slam. 4NT seems horrible, why show the minors when you have a good 5 card spade suit? I think DBL but could understand 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Not really :)This problem was sent to us by a friend.My partner choose 4♠, that friend 4NT (minors) and I 5♥ (hoping it is a slam try for any suit).I didn't like DBL with a void at this level when partner will often pass and we play 4♥X when we have slam. Well, I don't like 4S as it is too commital, and 4NT for the minors is idiotic. What is left is double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sakq62hdkj62ck972&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=3hp4h]133|200| IMPs What is your call?[/hv] IMO 4♠ = 10, Double = 9, Pass = 6, 5♥ = 3, 4N = 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Agreeing with Nigel - bidding 4♠ and doubling are very close. I like 4♠ a bit more because there are many hands where we can make 10 tricks, or where partner has only 3-card ♠ (and won't bit that strain) and where we can continue the auction if they pursue ♥s or partner does something positive. Not to mention those hands where we can take 10 tricks in a 7-card ♠ fit. I don't particularly like defending when holding a void in their suit and have a solid suit of my own - too often I need to lead a trump and can't. Partner knows I have a big hand for this bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 I have a hand which can reasonably expect to make something at the 5level in 3 suits and slam is hardly out of the picture. 4s just seems to takeall of the offensive wind out of our sails. x fits this hand almost perfectly surely we would have no trouble with x with1 less spade and 1 more of either minor. There would be no concernsabout p passing our x and us defending with a void. Does the 5th spadereally change the scope of this hand so much?? Preempts work but they work much better when we make purely arbitrarydecisions on hands where several options are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted May 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Full hand:[hv=pc=n&s=SJ96H5D9873CAT643&w=ST54HAQT32DQT5CJ5&n=SAKQ72HDKJ62CK972&e=S83HKJ98764DA4CQ8&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=3hp4h]399|300[/hv](E-W GIB) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Pass = 6, 5♥ = 3Sorry, but LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 I found this to be a really tough hand btw, nice problem. Still not sure what I like, probably leaning 4S but meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 Double. And if partner bids five of a minor, I am raising to six, because playing for exactly 11 tricks is too wild a gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 I double. Tough hand. I can see 4S easily being the winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 And if partner bids five of a minor, I am raising to six, because playing for exactly 11 tricks is too wild a gamble. For sure, this is the main upside of doubling imo, you get to 6 of a minor vul. The downside is maybe too many 300s vs your vul 4S but it's also possible 4S is down when partner passes (getting tapped is not gonna be great if you don't have a fit). I have already changed my mind to X but it might change back heh. Honestly if partner bid 5m I would bid 5H, we could easily have a grand opposite A sixth and an ace for instance, and that seems like the only hand partner would bid grand with given that we have AKQ of spades and both minor kings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted May 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 For sure, this is the main upside of doubling imo, you get to 6 of a minor vul. The downside is maybe too many 300s vs your vul 4S but it's also possible 4S is down when partner passes (getting tapped is not gonna be great if you don't have a fit). I have already changed my mind to X but it might change back heh. Honestly if partner bid 5m I would bid 5H, we could easily have a grand opposite A sixth and an ace for instance, and that seems like the only hand partner would bid grand with given that we have AKQ of spades and both minor kings.How bad is it then to bid directly 5H? Can you rate DBL, 4S and 5H and 4NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 5H is very bad, you certainly don't want to play slam when partner passes 4HX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 4N showing the minors with 5 spades to the AKQ doesnt make a lot of sense to me either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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