lenze Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 In a recent Pro-Am team event (One life master paired with a novice) neither team reached slam. How would you bid these cards to six? OR seven? South Deals and opens one spade. Opponents are silent North holds S KJ742H TD A865432C T South S AQ853H AJ43D 7C A65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cave_Draco Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 Depends on the system (I assume 5-card majors), and who is the pro, but... I can defend 1S-5S-6S, ;D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 Bidding with myself is always ve4ry helpful, no misunderstandings, so maybe at the table I had failed: 1 Spade 2 NT (4+ Spades forcing3 Diamond (Shortage) 4 NT (RKCB) 5 Club (3) 5 Diamond (Queen of Spade?) 6 Spade Yes but no outside king 7 Spade Respond has to upgrade his Hand :With the powerful two-suiter he must force to game.When teh opener shows his singelton in Diamond, he can smell many tricks. Pd has 5 trumps and a singelton/Void diamond, so with 2-4 ruffs, he surely will establish the suit. Pd shows all missing aces and the queen of trump...so here we go... Kind Regards Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenze Posted June 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 Hi Roland Thanks for the reply. I was the pro sitting south. Your sequence was also my first thought. The problem is, what if South's hand is S AT853H A43D K7C A65 The grand is still laydown. but won't North be discouraged when South shows no singleton (YES, I know south would(SHOULD) open 1 NT with this hand) BTW: The Q of trumps is irrelevent for all practicle purposes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifemonster Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 S KJ742 H T D A865432 C T S AQ853 H AJ43 D 7 C A65 Since it's a LM paired with novice game, I'd suggest the old-school-less-convention bidding line.One assumption has to be made that North's hand is treated as forcing raise. South North1S 2D2H 3S4C 4D4H 5C5D 5H5NT 6D7S PASS 3S: it's a forcing raise with great trump; I don't think Jacoby FR would do the job because thisis not a "general raise". South's 6 loser 3 Ace hand certainly doesn't look minimum.4C:OK, I have 1st round control in clubs and let's start having some cuebidding fun4D: I have 1st round control in diamonds4H: I have 1st round control here5C: I have 2nd round control here5D: I have 2nd round control here5H: I have 2nd round control here5NT: What else? We've got all the 1st and 2nd rd controls covered. How many honors have yougot in trumps?6D: one7S: OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifemonster Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 In fact, when South applies 5NT, North's KJxxx should be treated as 2 honors, because of the 5th trump and the J. In case South has Axxxx, there is still great chance that you can pick up the suit with no loser. This way, even if South holdsAxxxxAxxKxAxx7S will still be duly reached with the help of the same cuebidding line. BTW, I don't think this handAxxxxAxxKxAxxis worth 1NT opener, though practially 1NT immediately tells the pattern, but there are several reasons I think it's better to open 1S1.all your honors are primary, ie, AK's2.not very many high spots3.there ain't very many trick sources in NT, after cashing the honors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 Hi Lenze, I agree, that a flat hand makes it more difficult to bid the grand.I don`t know exactly what the majority plays after jacoby 2 NT, so my bidding may not be common sense, but lets give your second hand another try: 1 Spade 2 NT3 NT (artifical, strong and balanced) 4 Club (cue bid, slam try) 4 Diamond (Wow that is good news, because it must be Kx) 4 NT5 Club 7 Spade In the first example, I asked for the queen, because I was not sure, if I imay need it, in case the Diamonds are spliiting bad. But you are right, no need to ask. BTW here at bbo I just lost a slam against Qxx behind my AKxxxx in a ten card fit :-)) And I won`t open the given hand 1 NT. I have no rebid problem in my system, so I love to bid the major. :-) Kind Regards Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifemonster Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 It is too quick to leap to 7S right after 5C response of Blackwood. What if South has Kxx in diamonds? You need diamonds break 2-2, pretty poor chance for a grand. Therefore, after Blackwood, you need to bid 6D(5D would be relay for trump Q), checking the 3rd rd control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Hi, Diamonds cannot be 2-2 if responders hand is 5171 like it is posted :-)But otoh then you may get no score anyway with your 14 cards.... So with 4171 I will not fear Kxx with pd, but with 5161, U R right. Anyway, I wonder, how many people will understand that after 1 Spade 2 NT .....5Club a jump to 6 Diamond is asking for third round control.This is a nice tool, but at least I did not discuss that with my standard pard. :-( But without getting to know about the special diamond holding from pd:Without doing the math I believe, that the chances of pd having a doubelton in diamonds are quite high.With a holding like 5,4,3,1 opps have 10 clubs ( or 10 Hearts!) and stay silent?With 5332 from pd, they have 19 cards in H and C and stay silent? Of course, they could be just to weak.But again, then pd may hold KQx or KJx in diamonds. I have to guess and believe, that 7 Spade is still a fair shot and that your way is much better, but not avaiable for me :-) Kind Regards Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Anyway, I wonder, how many people will understand that after 1 Spade 2 NT .....5Club a jump to 6 Diamond is asking for third round control.This is a nice tool, but at least I did not discuss that with my standard pard. :-( Hi Roland.... Perhpas you missed the thead started by Yzerman on kantar's version of Roman Keycard Blackwood. Go now, this instant, to http://www.kantarbridge.com/rkb.htm and send your standard parnter there too... There are so many really wonderful tools following KeyCard Blackwood there. I think you will like it. BTW, in kantar's version, over the jump to 6D asking for specific cards, the responses are not as simple as bid 7 with third round control. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenze Posted June 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Thanks to all who responded. Sorry I miss posted the original hand. It should be obvious that North holds only 6 diamonds (My mistake) Still, this is an interesting hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 North holds S KJ742H TD A865432C T South S AQ853H AJ43D 7C A65 1S 2D (playing 2/1 GF)2H 2S (can't bid 4S... as denys C/H control)3C 3D3H 4C (by pass serious 3NT)4D 4N5S 6D (5s="SQ +2 key cards, 6D = SSA)7S Pass (7S = singleton Diamond) This is the second problem hand today I have used SSA on. :D For more about SSA see.... http://www.kantarbridge.com/rkb_vii.htm Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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