tweener rebid?

[billw55]

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This one is very straightforward. IMPs, none vul.

 

I opened 1♦, and after partner's 1♠ call, 2♦ seemed like a bit of an underbid, but 3♦ or 2♥ felt like overbids. So, which way do you value this hand, and what call do you choose?

[ahydra]

I'd be OK (just) with 2H - it's a very nice hand with 7 controls. Kx of partner's suit is nothing to sneeze at either.

 

IMO 3D is not a good idea, you don't want to hide the hearts. So otherwise I guess it's a heavy 2D (if partner passes that, you may be in the right spot anyway).

 

ahydra

[broze]

Prefer the overbid of 2♥ to everything else - you have a great hand for partner. Don't mind 3♦ (it's not really an overbid) because p is still there and he can bid hearts. 2♥ would be a must at MPs though where you worry about p passing 3♦ with a weak hand with 5-4 in the Majors.

[MickyB]

Prefer the overbid of 2♥ to everything else - you have a great hand for partner. Don't mind 3♦ (it's not really an overbid) because p is still there and he can bid hearts. 2♥ would be a must at MPs though where you worry about p passing 3♦ with a weak hand with 5-4 in the Majors.

 

3D denies four hearts, 3H now from partner doesn't show four cards.

[Winstonm]

2H should be automatic and it is not even close to an overbid. Why? First, the 6/4 pattern has increased value. Second, all the HCPs are in prime control cards, and most of those are in the long suits. Third, the interiors in the long suits are above average. Fourth, the bidding elevated the value of the Kx of spades. This hand will easily reevaluate to worth 17-18.

 

Many people would not hesitate to rebid 2H with A, Kxxx, AQJxx, QJx but the hand shown is superior.

[aguahombre]

I will take the other side. If 1D were limited by a big club system, the choice might be different. But in the 11-20 box, I am content with 2D.

[JLOGIC]

It is indeed a tweener hand, I will go with the Meckstroth rule (when you have the choice of an underbid or an overbid go with the overbid).

[EricK]

To my mind, if a hand is strong enough for a jump rebid of 3♦, then it ought to be strong enough for a reverse into 2♥. i.e. it doesn't make sense to have to pass over a good major suit to rebid your minor at the 3 level. So the choice must be between 2♦ and 2♥. This looks way to strong for 2♦ with the good controls, the extra length in ♦, the K of partner's suit and the reasonable intermediates. So 2♥ it is.

[Codo]

So far I do not like my hand for NT or spades, so I will only gain with a fit in a red suit. Put me down for 2 ♦, but just because my partner can make a nonforcing 2 ♥ bid, so he won´t pass withsay 9 HCP hands and 4 hearts...

[ggwhiz]

Pards spade bid and the opponents silence may well be on a misfit or a hand where pard is going to continue anyway so put me down for 2♦.

 

I will like 2♥, 2♠, 2nt or 3♣ from pard next, bow out on a misfit and avoid (shudder) pard going slammish with the wrong shape. I think I can still get to slams I want to be in too.

[Cyberyeti]

For us, 3♦ requires less in the way of high cards than 2♥ does, so I'd probably do that, although I don't like burying the heart suit. Partner will pass 2♦ with things like AQJxx, xxx, Qx, xxx where 6♦/♠ are good.

[CamHenry]

I have an unfortunate proclivity to overbid in every auction, so I prefer to get it out of the way early. That way, I don't ever feel I have to catch up later. 2♥ for me: least of evils, I think, since it's not GF or anything.

 

Of course, I'd love to hold this hand playing Precision (or similar) as I can then rebid 2♥ and everyone knows what I've got.

[JLOGIC]

For us, 3♦ requires less in the way of high cards than 2♥ does, so I'd probably do that, although I don't like burying the heart suit. Partner will pass 2♦ with things like AQJxx, xxx, Qx, xxx where 6♦/♠ are good.

 

I feel like there was some epic Mikeh vs someone (Han?) debate on this subject. Mikeh was in your camp that 3D can be less than 2H, but I am in the camp of thinking that doesn't make sense, you're forcing to the same level (3 level) while burying a possible heart fit.

 

If someone could find that debate I'd love to read it.

[Fluffy]

I remember that debate but somehow I recall Mikeh advocating that you should never bypass 2♥ because it has the same strenght as 3m

[helene_t]

it might be this thread: http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/39440-back-to-basics/

[Zelandakh]

I would bid a maximum 2♦ but it is close. I agree with those that play that a 3♦ rebid denies 4 hearts although perhaps that is my Acol background talking.

[mcphee]

Not the first time I have had such a great 2D rebid. 2H is second choice. I am not so pleased with the weak 4 card suit to get pushy. Partner is still there.

[Cyberyeti]

I feel like there was some epic Mikeh vs someone (Han?) debate on this subject. Mikeh was in your camp that 3D can be less than 2H, but I am in the camp of thinking that doesn't make sense, you're forcing to the same level (3 level) while burying a possible heart fit.

 

If someone could find that debate I'd love to read it.

For us, 1♦-1♠-2N(GF unbal)-3♣(semi forced)-3♦ is a really big 3♦ rebid so the straight 3♦ is devalued a bit, expecting 6.5 tricks opposite xx is a typical minimum, 2♥ is 16+, the art 2N followed by 3♥ is a 6-4 whale.

[neilkaz]

I'll reverse to 2♥ here. I'm allowed to hold a minimum sometimes. While only 14 HCP it is prime, and I am 6421 with potentially helpful 10's in my two long suits.

 

Wouldn't it be nice and especially if weak jump shifts if PD could bid a non-forcing 2♠ with a dead minimum extra ♠ and then opener could pass, perhaps in the last making contract? However, typical methods (Leb etc) don't allow 2♠ (or 2♥ after 1♣-1♥-2♦) to be passed since the reverse promises a rebid. (OK this hand doesn't hate rebidding 3♦).

 

Maybe a 2♠ rebid should be passable and to force game you go thru 2NT when there's room to rebid you suit over the reverse at the 2 level? Ideas please.

 

.. neilkaz ..

[gszes]

If my HCP were more along the lines of quacks

 

QJ KJxx AQJxxx x I would consider this an easy 2d rebid. The control

oriented nature of the given hand lends itself nicely to games in nt and even

5d much more easily and needs to be bid with more enthusiasm.

 

2h

 

Nicely shows the potential of this hand, does not bury the heart suit and

leaves us nicely placed for partners rebids even if they suddenly were to

bid slam I doubt they would be disappointed. It just seems unreasonable

to bid 2d when all we need from p is Axxx xx xxxx QJx to make 3n or

Axxx Kx xxxx xxx to bid 5d probably making 6 (if you can bid 6 with

confidence include your lesson email address here)

[MrAce]

This is a max 2♦ rebid for me.

[PhilKing]

This hand is another advert for the Garozzo 2♥ response to 1♦, showing 7-10 with 5♠ and 4♥ (weaker if 5-5).

 

One of the main worries when bidding 2♦ is missing a good 4♥, which could now never happen. 2♦ is fine for me, but that's also because I think people set the bar for a raise to 3 too high.

[gwnn]

Great find helene! I think there was also an older, longer one but I don't think there'd be much difference with this one. I also think jdonn won that debate (not because mikeh didn't reply but simply because he gave better reasons).