daveharty Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sk2haj987dkq5cq83&n=sqjt9653hkqda976c&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=p1n(15-17)p2hp2sp4s(mild%20slam%20try)ppp]266|200[/hv] This was the common auction in a recent game. Suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustinst22 Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 In before splinter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 obviously north needs to do more, for example describing his hand. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masse24 Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 1NT - 2♥2♠ - 4♣4♦ - 5♣ EKCBetc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 1NT - 2♥2♠ - 4♣4♦ - 5♣ EKCBetc. How does this auction cope with ♠AKJ♥xxx♦Qxx♣KQJx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 north is pretty bad at bridge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 How does this auction cope with ♠AKJ♥xxx♦Qxx♣KQJx That hand obv doesn't bid 4♦... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Bidding 6S would be way better than 4S, but yeah first 2 replies nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted May 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 north is pretty bad at bridgeA bit hyperbolic. None of us would want to be judged thusly based on a single bid. Not his finest bid ever, and he owned it afterwards. Plus, this auction was repeated several times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Plus, this auction was repeated several times. Many people are bad at bridge :P I wish the whole mild slam try thing would go away, standard methods have no bid for a balanced 6 card slam try so I would just say play 4x is a splinter and 4S is 6322 or 7222 and be done with this whole concept of a "mild slam try." It just causes people to either make silly slam tries, or to not show their hand via a splinter when the key to the hand is how partner fits with your shortness. It's all pretty silly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 1NT - 4H! ( Texas )4S - 5C EKCB5S ( 3rd step = 2 - ♠ Q ) .... - 6S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 It is pretty obvious to make an autosplinter after the transfer. South would accept of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 1NT - 4H! ( Texas )4S - 5C EKCB5S ( 3rd step = 2 - ♠ Q ) .... - 6S This was my first reaction, but I think just splintering is better. If partner simply bid 4S over the splinter slam can't really be good, our hand is nice but it only has 1 keycard and no DK. We might as well splinter and check that partner wants to cuebid a red suit before driving on imo. Anyways, it's obviously closer to a drive than a "mild" slam try heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyQuest Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 1NT - 2♥2♠ - 4♣4♦ - 5♣ EKCBetc. Not really sure why this post is ignored, but, this "Nails It" as far as I am concerned. Are there other, better options I am not seeing? My knee jerk response was to Texas then EKCB, but responder is not quite strong enough for that action. Best to bring partner in on the decision. Obviously opener does not cooperate with half his strength in ♣'s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 If 5C is exclusion in your agreements then that seems like a good auction. I would just take it as continuing to cuebid, a club void and no heart control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 If 5C is exclusion in your agreements then that seems like a good auction. I would just take it as continuing to cuebid, a club void and no heart control. That's how I play that sequence with any of my regular partners as well (and we have ERKC agreements). edit: in case this was ambiguous, i mean that I'd play 5C as a cue and not voidwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cargobeep Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 At Rubber this would probably be my choice of auction. At MP/IMPS I'd splinter clubs or cue bid diamonds, depending on agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM75 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Using OC Precision... 1♥ - 1♠ -- 5♥, 11-15; natural - usually denying 3 card trump support2NT - 4♣ -- Upper range, balanced; Control ask 4♠ -- 2 aces or ace and 2 kings Now we need to worry about PA on control bidding at 5 level. Assuming that control bids show A or K -- - 4N -- start bidding controls 5♦ - 6♠ Partner has the ♦K and either ♠AK (and did not show support?!) or more likely ♠K and ♥Axxxx If the PA is only to show Aces, then probably5♥ - 5♠ Partner could have the ♠A, or 2 kings that could be anywhere but hearts and we could be off the 2 top trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Using splinter when your hand is so strong is normallyan exercise in futility simce p will rarely be able to do anything but try and sign off. there is a better way. Using theprinciple of majors NT minors we can try to discover below gamelevel if p has wasted club values for ex using the given hand- 1n 2h 2s 3d We make a forcing bid and while the bidding may go manydifferent ways here the bidding shows opener has stuff inhearts and fears clubs for 3n. This bidding sequence alonegives us enough information to bid 6s and the only finetuning left is how to get to 7s if p has no wasted valuesin clubs (that's another topic). This is using splinter theoryw/o taking up all the space a splinter bid normally uses. Very simple and this same thinking can be applied to manydifferent hands. Note that we can use this same thinking anytime our long suit is a major and the other suits canbe swapped around any way you like A976 QJT9653 KQ void 1n 2d 2h 3d if p now bids 3s KQx Kx AJxxx Qxx we have enough to bid 6h and can explore for 7. directly using exclusion is fine if you dont mind occasionally getting overboardwhen p has lots of wasted club values. Using the above thinking it is rarelynecessary to risk a negative score under such circumstances. This thinkingcan be applied to an incredibly large array of hands. It is not a cure all butit can have huge success under the right set of circumstances with no risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 As others have said North needs to do more. I really think the auto splinter is the way to go. since it must be construed as at least a mild slam try, responders ♠ can't be too shabby. If you don't have any agreements about EKCB, you might get there if opener ends up asking. 1 NT - 2 ♥2 ♠ - 4 ♣(autosplinter)4 ♦ - 4 ♥4 NT - 5 NT (odd keycards plus a void)6 ♠ 4 ♥ has to be the ♥ K. Knowing that, at worst, 5 ♠ might depend on a ♥ finesse. So it seems relatively safe for the NT bidder to ask via RKCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 Daveharty your thread titles aren't funny anymore. 2s 4s is I hate my partner bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunling Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 4♠should be a "quantitive" invitation, e.g.6322 or 7222 or some stiff honour.With slam interest and a void, you must show it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 As others have said North needs to do more. I really think the auto splinter is the way to go. since it must be construed as at least a mild slam try, responders ♠ can't be too shabby. If you don't have any agreements about EKCB, you might get there if opener ends up asking. 1 NT - 2 ♥2 ♠ - 4 ♣(autosplinter)4 ♦ - 4 ♥4 NT - 5 NT (odd keycards plus a void)6 ♠ 4 ♥ has to be the ♥ K. Knowing that, at worst, 5 ♠ might depend on a ♥ finesse. So it seems relatively safe for the NT bidder to ask via RKCB.Opener should bid 4♠ over 4♥ in your auction. After all, he only has 13 working hcp and doubleton support. You don't want to be in slam opposite AQxxxx Kxx Axx x, and responder could be a little weaker than that.Over 4♠, responder can just bid 6♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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