An RKC 0314 Bidding Situation

[Adam1105]

I'm play in Rock's Best tourney with a first time Partner.

 

We're playing my partner's "profile" which is RKC Blackwood 0314.

 

I opened 1NT (You may disagree with open, but my question isn't regarding if I opened right or not.)

 

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I'm thinking that we found our suit SPADES. So ... I'm thinking I have 2 Key Cards—the AK♠

 

Am I wrong? What would you decide about partner's 4NT with only the above info?

 

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[Stephen Tu]

If you are playing with a partner who knows what he's doing, you do *not* have a spade fit, and 4nt is *not* RKC. Traditionally 4nt after using stayman is just a quantitative invite to slam *without* a spade fit. With a spade fit (and assuming transfers are in use, so 3♥ does not have to be used to show a hand with hearts not having spades), there are two methods that are most popular among advanced+ players to set spades as trumps and ask key cards:

 

Method 1: Partner bids 3♥, 3 of the other major. Since transfers are available, this is not needed with just the other major, so it's used to show a fit in the major, a game force, and interest in slam. Subsequent 4nt will be RKC. Alternately partner can bid 4 of a new suit to splinter.

 

Method 2 (attributed to Grant Baze): Partner bids 4♣, RKC Gerber. 3 of the other major shows *any splinter*, next step asks. 4♦ shows a fit in the major, without a splinter, quantitative slam try, not appropriate for RKC.

 

Be aware though, that there are a ton of (usu less experienced) players who *don't* know these things, and did actually intend 4nt as RKC. There's not much one can do about this, my policy with a pickup would be to assume method 1, if partner wanted it to be RKC after the hand, tell him he's wrong.

[steve2005]

4N quantitative.

what do you do with 16 pts and 4H , you bid 4N

 

to keycard in spades you need to do an artificial raise first(3♥)

or you can just say 4♣ is keycard gerber for ♠ (or for ♥ over 2♥)

 

obviously you would have to discuss this with partner

[Zelandakh]

You guys all play with too many good players. For the majority of the player base out there, 4NT is either Blackwood over any suit bid, or is always Blackwood. With a random partner it is often helpful to check up their last month of hands in the database - that can give clues to their standard. But if I were Opener and playing with an intermediate that I knew nothing about and the only thing they had in their profile is 3041, I would think they wanted to ask here, regardless of what the text books say. Equally, if I were Responder I would avoid bidding 4NT for either purpose if I could see an alternative.

[mike777]

I'm play in Rock's Best tourney with a first time Partner.

 

We're playing my partner's "profile" which is RKC Blackwood 0314.

 

I opened 1NT (You may disagree with open, but my question isn't regarding if I opened right or not.)

 

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I'm thinking that we found our suit SPADES. So ... I'm thinking I have 2 Key Cards—the AK♠

 

Am I wrong? What would you decide about partner's 4NT with only the above info?

 

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I would assume 4nt =quant and 4h =keycard.

 

please don't tell me you expect 4h to be natural or shortness.

so over 4h I bid 5h.

otoh over 4nt I bid 5nt with a first time pard.

 

If I am wrong so be it...next deal.