feckless Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Hi, I'm getting a "tourney completion percentage is lower than that required" message when I try to join tournaments. I'm wondering why as I always finish tournaments and make plays within the time limit. I started a new account yesterday, played one tournament, then tried another today and received the same message. Any ideas? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 You don't get a tourney completion percentage until you've played 10 tourneys in the past 60 days. Since you started a new account, you haven't accumulated enough tourneys yet. Play in a few robot tourneys today and your problem will be resolved tomorrow (we update completion percentages once a day). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feckless Posted May 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 You don't get a tourney completion percentage until you've played 10 tourneys in the past 60 days. Since you started a new account, you haven't accumulated enough tourneys yet. Play in a few robot tourneys today and your problem will be resolved tomorrow (we update completion percentages once a day). Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiat Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 I've got a problem with this too. Since getting back to BBOL after a couple of years away I've played in 12 tournaments in the past few days... ...and AFAIK completed every single one of them. So my TCR should be very high, potentially 100%, right? So something is broken, here, I suspect. Now I can't know for sure because my TCR and MCR are not showing on my profile.... ) ...or am I looking in the wrong place - if so what's the right one? Hopefully someone can kindly answer here, otherwise it's a support ticket :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Your TCR and MCR are both 100%. Click on the "Show profile" button at the bottom of your public profile to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wynsten Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 According to "Hands and Results" I have competed in at least 18 tournaments in the last 60 days but my (Wynsten) profile still reports "TCR: unknown".It would be very helpful if my profile showed not only the percentage, but also the numerator and denominator of this quotient (which surely ARE known). i.e. something like "TCR: 50% (7/14)" ThanksWynsten (Doug) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Hi Doug, Team matches don't count. You have about 6 tourneys completed in the last 60 days (I might have miscounted, but anyway less than 10). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Please don't ask the same thing twice. I just answered in the other thread that you started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wynsten Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Please don't ask the same thing twice. I just answered in the other thread that you started.Sorry - I don't post very often; didn't realize that first post had actually happened. Thanks for telling me my number of tournaments played. Be easier on you if the software did it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wynsten Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Hi Doug, Team matches don't count. You have about 6 tourneys completed in the last 60 days (I might have miscounted, but anyway less than 10).I see. Somewhere the help pages advise offering to substitute as a way of building up completed tournaments, but when I do that I often get slotted into a team match (usually replacing a player who is disenchanted with the state of the match or the strength of his partner). Maybe that advice could be modified to mention the match exclusion.Anyway, thanks. Doug (Wynsten) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Play in a few robot tourneys today and your problem will be resolved tomorrow (we update completion percentages once a day).I really hate this suggestion. Players who don't want to play against robots shouldn't be encouraged to do so just to establish TCR, especially when (in the free games) it takes spots away from people who actually do want to play those events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wynsten Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 I really hate this suggestion. Players who don't want to play against robots shouldn't be encouraged to do so just to establish TCR, especially when (in the free games) it takes spots away from people who actually do want to play those events.Well the rule that you can't play in some tournaments unless you play some other tournaments kind of implies this kind of problem. I play in tournaments only occasionally but I always complete the ones I play in so I kinda feel hard done by too. I see the problem they're trying to solve: offenders who simply re-register to reset their stats. Not sure there's a cure that is not worse than the disease though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 But you can play the Express Free Automated Fun tournaments instead. There are 4 per hour that don't require TCR, and these (accommodating 80 players) don't fill nearly as quickly or regularly as the free robot games (accommodating only 10). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wynsten Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 But you can play the Express Free Automated Fun tournaments instead. There are 4 per hour that don't require TCR, and these (accommodating 80 players) don't fill nearly as quickly or regularly as the free robot games (accommodating only 10).Thanks - good suggestion. However these tournaments are individual tournaments (not pairs which is the type of tournament I want to play but is excluding me because of my "unknown" TCR) and expect me to play 2/1 which I do not play (I play SAYC). So, I'll do it (and just ignore the 2/1 stipulation) but it is still not ideal, and still doesn't prove anything since the "history" that is being provided is totally artificial. Why not just trust that I'm a decent fellow until I prove otherwise?Wynsten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 None of the BBO or ACBL tourneys have TCR restrictions. They're not free, though. Why not trust until proven otherwise? As you said, people with bad stats will just create new accounts. And we didn't think 10 tourneys was an onerous requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42krunner Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Thanks - good suggestion. However these tournaments are individual tournaments (not pairs which is the type of tournament I want to play but is excluding me because of my "unknown" TCR) and expect me to play 2/1 which I do not play (I play SAYC). So, I'll do it (and just ignore the 2/1 stipulation) but it is still not ideal, and still doesn't prove anything since the "history" that is being provided is totally artificial. Why not just trust that I'm a decent fellow until I prove otherwise?Wynsten Well, at least fake your way through 2/1. Otherwise you are going to have a lot of unhappy people playing opposite you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42krunner Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I really hate this suggestion. Players who don't want to play against robots shouldn't be encouraged to do so just to establish TCR, especially when (in the free games) it takes spots away from people who actually do want to play those events. There are many free Goulash tournaments a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 And some of those goulash games get 600 participants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wynsten Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Well, at least fake your way through 2/1. Otherwise you are going to have a lot of unhappy people playing opposite you.Yup - see my earlier post that the cure is worse than the disease.So far I have seen:Play as a subPlay against robotsPlay MP 2/1 individualsPlay in tournaments that aren't freePlay goulash How doing all or any of this proves that I will be well-behaved when I play IMP scored pairs against real opponents with my favourite partner I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wynsten Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 None of the BBO or ACBL tourneys have TCR restrictions. They're not free, though. Why not trust until proven otherwise? As you said, people with bad stats will just create new accounts. And we didn't think 10 tourneys was an onerous requirement.But if it's not an onerous requirement then the bad actors will just play in 10 tourneys instead of creating a new account.You can't set the bar so high the bad guys can't get over, and so low the good guys can, 'cause it's the same bar!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 How about allowing some number of total hands played (in tournaments, team matches, and/or MBC/RBC) to be an alternative trigger for "establish a TCR"? Set that number at a few hundred. This not-exactly-new-player would then be subject to the same criteria/methodology as would the player who once upon a time established a TCR but no longer has the 10 tournaments in the most recent 60 days: he'd be presumed to be expected to behave responsibly in tournaments unless or until he proves otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 How doing all or any of this proves that I will be well-behaved when I play IMP scored pairs against real opponents with my favourite partner I don't know. What we're concerned with is whether your Internet connection ad willpower are stable enough that you'll stick around for all 8-12 boards of the tourney. We assume that the type of scoring is not very significant. Many people play lots of hands in the MBC for 15-20 minutes at a time, but they still can't manage to set aside a whole hour for a tourney. That's why we have separate MCR and TCR statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wynsten Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 What we're concerned with is whether your Internet connection ad willpower are stable enough that you'll stick around for all 8-12 boards of the tourney. We assume that the type of scoring is not very significant. Many people play lots of hands in the MBC for 15-20 minutes at a time, but they still can't manage to set aside a whole hour for a tourney. That's why we have separate MCR and TCR statistics.OK - then why not count Team Play - Team matches are typically 8 boards (longer than the Express Individuals which are 6 boards) and take more time per board because you are not constrained by a 30 second clock. My internet connection and my sitz fleisch are just as strong playing a team match as any other kind of bridge. And why, after I have jumped through these hoops and proven I have what it takes, do I have to do it all over again 60 days later? Seems like an unfair penalty for being an infrequent (but totally reliable) player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 And why, after I have jumped through these hoops and proven I have what it takes, do I have to do it all over again 60 days later? Seems like an unfair penalty for being an infrequent (but totally reliable) player.You do not have to do it again 60 days later; once you have met the requirements to establish a TCR, you will continue to have a TCR based on your "reliability" over the most recent 60 days, even if your number of tournaments played during that period falls beneath 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wynsten Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 You do not have to do it again 60 days later; once you have met the requirements to establish a TCR, you will continue to have a TCR based on your "reliability" over the most recent 60 days, even if your number of tournaments played during that period falls beneath 10.So if I play 10 of these "Express tournaments" to eastablish a TCR, then play just one pairs tournament over the next 60 days, I don't have to start jumping though hoops again? Well that's better. Let's see how it works out. Thsnks. Doug (Wynsten) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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